idun Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 For such as you, lindal, doubt it would make much difference even if the vote was to leave. People were moving to France from the UK before we entered, I had friends who had done that. A few hoops to jump through, and when it boiled down to it, not really any different to when we moved to France. And that before all this nonsense started of completely free movement, although on the service public website, it is clear that people who move to France have to have the means to support themselves.... and I do hope that that is verified.I realise that some people can live very successfully on a very small income, but many do not, don't know how to.I have no idea how the vote will go and for example, when we voted to go in in 1975, Yorkshire did not. So I would imagine that lots of people in Yorkshire would know people who were against it at the time..... maybe that is how it is now. Some regions have an underlying distrust of the EU........ perhaps and would vote no!As I have said, if there is a no vote that would affect us too much we would move back to France. It would not be a problem for us, at all, and I have no idea why anyone would believe that it would be for them as long as they can jump through the inevitable hoops that there will be put in place........ again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Idun said "I have no idea how the vote will go and for example, when we voted to go in in 1975, Yorkshire did not. So I would imagine that lots of people in Yorkshire would know people who were against it at the time..... maybe that is how it is now. Some regions have an underlying distrust of the EU........ perhaps and would vote no!"Unfortunately this is not correct. Yorkshire voted to remain in with a comfortable majority. The only two areas to vote to leave were the Western Isles and Shetland.See this link for more detailed information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I did look and the graph I looked at had Yorkshire in red on it, the only area on the mainland with red on it. Did not save it, sorry I didn't now. Doesn't matter, the overall vote was still a 'yes' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindal1000 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I think free movement will probably be the least likely thing to change in the event of a Brexit. For a start all existing treaties remain in place until the terms of the exit are negotiated and that could take up to two years. Free movement is part and parcel of all trade deals with Europe, and even if other markets are developed it won't happen in enough time for the Uk to say goodbye to Europe in the first instance. By the time it is all sorted I'll be long retired!I think there are always things to be gained in whatever scenario arises. For example, it will be such chaos that I can't see anyone noticing a few elicit cash deals between friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Lindal wrote,Of course you don't know anyone who wishes to remain..it all depends who your friends are! I have the opposite experience, and as the polls are pretty much too close to call, my guess would be that it will be a close result, whatever the outcome is. So, even within a democracy such as the UK, it is possible that 49% of the population will be stuck with a result they didn't choose and don't support. A democracy means you don't always get what you want. What I will say in reaction to your last point is that although many people are not happy with the EU and may vote to leave, very few share your view of right wing utopian extremism. I was not only thinking of my friends when I said that I don't personally know anyone who wishes to stay in the EU. I also mean people I know, but I would not count as friends who live in our village. These range from a postman, to a surgeon. A retired police officer, GP, taxi driver, to the local farmers who have large UKIP banners displayed at election time. Quite a cross section of people. I believe if I had to apply for a job to speak to all these groups, one of the qualifications would be ‘able to communicate at all levels’. I will admit East Anglia is very much a leave area however. But yes, there are many who wish to stay in the EU, I have no doubt, and it will be a close thing in the end. If we stay in the EU, well at least we had the chance to vote on the issue which so affects us. And if we do stay in well OK, if its a fair vote then I will be happy to accept this. Without Nigel Farage this would never have happened, democracy indeed does not mean you always get what you want, but at least you would have had a fair chance to get what you want. Unfortunately, if we are unable to stop the riff of the world entering the EU by any other means, then wall’s will need to be built. I have no problem with the free movement of people who are European citizens , but they must be people who have earned this right, not any criminal who wishes to relocate, and abuses this privilege of free movement to prey of the very people who made this movement possible. There must also be a cap on the numbers entering also, as the services of any country cant keep up with huge inflows like we in the UK are seeing, and why would they not wish to come, the UK is the best country in the world to live IMHO. If a French person moves to the UK, they can get free healthcare from us, if a British person moves to France they have to pay. If a French person comes to the UK, then they can use our roads free of tolls ( except a few) but the other way and we have to pay if we use their auto routes. I know they are funded differently, but why should someone from the UK pay twice? This whole EU thing just stinks of always the UK residents having to pay more all the time. I hope after last nights results in the US, you will now concede that Mr T will be the Republication candidate, He sweep five more states with over a 60% majority, and that's against two other candidates, not one opponent like ‘crooked Hillary' faces. [:D] [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I am sure that Hilary Clinton is hoping that her Republican opponent will be Donald Trump as that would give her the best chance of winning.Meanwhile back on topic. If/when I move to France it would be unreasonable of me to expect to be treated differently than French people as regards healthcare or road charges etc. If I don't like it I don't need to go. It's that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I am sure that Hilary Clinton is hoping that her Republican opponent will be Donald Trump as that would give her the best chance of winning. Really ???? [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]Meanwhile back on topic. If/when I move to France it would be unreasonable of me to expect to be treated differently than French people as regards healthcare or road charges etc. If I don't like it I don't need to go. It's that simple How this is back on topic, when the topic is the American president I am unsure?? However, lets have a few guesses here, you state you have been retired for six years on the bottom of each of your posts, that's been there for longer than a year, so I can make a guess as to your age group.Are you REALLY trying to suggest that at your time of life, you would be actually moving to France full time??May I sound a few words of caution if that is your plan. The only thing cheaper in France is property, the taxes to buy it are sky high compared to the UK, perhaps you are going to rent, good luck if you are.Then when the time comes, and you pass, the government will take a large chunk of your wealth before your chosen recipient gets any. Sure, its a nice country, and you may think that its all worth it. I am sure many before you have, but so many return. Look at how many from this forum only stayed a few years and returned. If I have your age wrong than go for it, but if your 65 plus please reconsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Get it right, ebaynut, if you must spout garbage, there's a good little chappie; it is quite possible to leave substantial amounts of capital to your kids free of any form of death duties, if you know how. And it is quite legal and above board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Boy oh boy, not sure where to startreally. So we mustn't listen to the most powerful man in the world inObama, but instead listen to a 'working class hero' ex-stockbrokerand hedge fund manager, who on the face of it would appear to have adrink problem, based on the fact that most photographs taken of him he isbrandishing a pint. Not only that he wants to fill all the UK pubsand restaurants with smoke again, very forward looking Nige.Orwe could take note of 'Bumbling Boris' who judging by his remarksabout Obama still thinks that Britannia rules the waves. With no realcredible alternative on offer as to which country the UK shouldemulate if the vote is to leave. Is it Norway, Canada or just stick apin in the atlas and see what that brings up.Then supposedly'President Trump' will come to the UK's rescue and fast forward theUK a trade deal. I think old Trumpy with be too busy nuking NorthKorea, building his wall between the US and Mexico, and starting atrade war with China, to worry about the UK. Don't believe meebaynut, then just read a quote from his speech on foreign policy hemade yesterday:“We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. Our military dominance must be unquestioned,” he said. “We are also going to have to change our trade, immigration and economic policies to make our economy strong again – and to put Americans first again.”It was a speech that sounded many of the themes Mr Trump has practised on the trail - his excoriation of the foreign policy record of President Barack Obama and of Hillary Clinton, his first Secretary of State, his disdain for the Iran nuclear deal and for some of America’s free trade deals - but also offered glimpses of moderation, for example on relations with the Muslim world.Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-isis-foreign-policy-speech-us-election-2016-a7004371.htmlSo you are prepared to pay four grand a year to be 'liberated' are you, well I am sure that there are lots of workers on zero hours contracts in the UK with four grand to spare, as there life must be absolutely brilliant not knowing if they will have any employment from one day to the next, so four grand to them will be nothing. I think that Jeremy Corbyn has made one of the most informative speeches on the whole EU debate, in stating that there will be a 'bonfire of workers rights', if the UK votes to leave the EU. Do you really think that the current government will be looking after the workers, if there is no EU directives to protect them? I wish you the best of luck if you think workers rights will improve outside the EU.So yes I would rather listen to what Obama has to say, and also Clinton, as she will most probably be the next US president, as opposed to a rag-bag bunch self-motivated individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 If you're going to be silly get your facts right, Putin is the most powerful man in the world. Sounds to me like another immigrant who has sunk his all into a French dream and is scaremongering, especially now; as a lot of the "I'm not an immigrant I'm an ex-pat" crowd will not get a vote. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Ah dear Nick, when I was younger, sinking my all into a French dream was all I ever dreamed of but nowadays it is all or nothing just to get into the shower!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 The 1st priority of any government is to uphold the rule of law and the protection of its' citizens.The 2nd priority of any government is economic stability to enable job creation.Grecian quoted Trump as saying:“We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. Our military dominance must be unquestioned,” he said. “We are also going to have to change our trade, immigration and economic policies to make our economy strong again – and to put Americans first again.”So that's those priorities covered.Grecian quoted:'his excoriation of the foreign policy record of President Barack Obama and of Hillary Clinton, his first Secretary of State,'Apparently not unjustified. Mark Penn, former chief strategist for Mrs Clinton and a pollster for her husband for 6 years is attributed with this. The investegation into Clinton's email cock-up uncovered Obama's off mic remarks to a Putin caretaker at a 2012 summit in South Korea.and I quote from that article:“To explicitly say he is laying low on nuclear defense policies because of his election right now and tell your opponent that is to politicize all foreign policy, evidence [of] weakness that can be exploited by others, and undermine the administration’s credibility,”The pair of them appear somewhat of a 'win-double' to me.regardscajal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 W/B wrote, Get it right, ebaynut, if you must spout garbage, there's a good little chappie; it is quite possible to leave substantial amounts of capital to your kids free of any form of death duties, if you know how. And it is quite legal and above board. I have a feeling what you call a ‘substantial’ amount and what I would call one may well be different!!!! [:D] Anyway, go for it big boy, how can you keep this capital quite legally???? And please, if you do reply, leave your post on long enough for me to be able to see it, before you delete your own posts, as you have done in the past. [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Grecian, Thank you for the link to the UK newspaper, but it was not necessary, I watched the speech live stream on Wednesday afternoon, as I like to hear what is being said by the great man, and not what highlights all the anti Trump press wish to report.Perhaps you should watch Fox news, to get a feel for what is happening in the states, and you may well revise your option on ‘crooked Hillary’ becoming president. So, we are all going to be £4K worse off are we? who said this, George Osborne of course. The chancellor of your biggest hate, the tory party. I read your totally OTT post, when he said he was going to reduce PIP’s payments. I knew it would never happen, if they (the torys) could not cut working tax credits, there was NO way the house of lords would have passed a cut on the most vulnerable in society.But no, you fell for it hook line and sinker, Project fear at its best, and you have clearly fell for this one as well!!!! With regard to lots of workers on zero hours contracts, I guess you don't blame the EU and the huge influx of workers which now flood the UK jobs market for this?? Besides, what rights do the workers have that matter, if their wages are keep low, due the huge number of low skilled workers to the UK???The take home pay is the only thing that matters, and if that is low, having a few weeks off because the baby is born, is not worth FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoddy Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I have deleted a post and I'm going to lock this thread.It would be good to have a decent discussion on this subject without resorting to personal insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoddy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 After some representation and discussions with other mods I have decided to unlock this thread. May I appeal to everyone to leave out the personal insults ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 W/B wrote, Get it right, ebaynut, if you must spout garbage, there's a good little chappie; it is quite possible to leave substantial amounts of capital to your kids free of any form of death duties, if you know how. And it is quite legal and above board. Could you please enlighten me as to what this great plan is ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 May I suggest that you investigate the use of Assurance Vie in FRance. Quite legal and above board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 As you may have missed it, I said your ‘wealth’, not spare capital, which is different. Most people have the major part of their wealth in their property, and a smaller amount in funds. ( lets face it, with interest rates at around zero, property is a better bet anyway, at least in the UK, and you can enjoy it far better than looking at numbers on paper,even if they are your numbers), so your method would be only of any use to cash rich, asset poor people,of which I cant think of any. I do believe in your previous post, you said this was best before reaching the age of seventy. That's hardly a good plan, to base the passing on of your family wealth, what happens if you live beyond that age?? In France each child is allowed a mere 100,000 euros before the tax man comes a calling, very soon it will be £1,000,000 in the UK if you are married/ couple etc, before the taxman comes a digging in your pot, and you can leave it to whoever you wish. I was merely trying to sound a note of caution as Rabbie seemed to indicate he had a move to France planned. and I was trying to point out the possibility of what it may cost for perhaps a few years, also to take into account is the better care in the UK when the time comes and you need it. I am sure Russethouse will agree with me here, that there is an excellent care package in place in the UK for those in the later stages of life, Hopefully not needed for a long time, but its nice to know its there. Anyway, back to the subject of the thread, the American president, Obama is yesterdays news, Trump is now the GOP front runner after taking all 57 seats last night. So I guess next stop Pennsylvania avenue.‘Our’ Dave will have to do some back tracking now, should be fun to see him have to be nice to Mr T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Any Brexit fan who was looking to trade deals with the US to save Britain's skin might like to think twice given Trump's stated aim of America First. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 There are various ways of reducing French inheritance tax on property by leaving them to children in the right way; I have only a vague notion of how it is done but am about to go see my notaire to see what can be sorted.After 70 the conditions are not so generous, but not sure of the details.One interesting thing is that one can give kids a property but retain the usufruit which is not possible under UK inheritance law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pip24 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I read today that Obama has asked the UK to send troops to Iraq. When it comes to the dirty work to be done it takes less than 2 weeks to ask, and the UK is at the front of the queue.No 10 year back of the queue deal there then!.I dont know how he has the audacity.Also the way that he ushered dave into his own abode made our prime minister look such a weak little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Given what he has had to work with, in both his own party and the Lib Dims (ooops, Dems), I reckon he has done pretty well, though he may be approaching the endtime as PM.Imagine Osborne as PM or (as this is a French forum), some of the more way out members of Hollandes little band (Melenchon for example).Then there is Mr Decisive Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Given that Puerto Rico is almost bankrupt, I wonder whether the US would not do better to take them as the next state, rather than an obscure but equally bankrupt, little country off the north coast of France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 W/B wrote, There are various ways of reducing French inheritance tax on property by leaving them to children in the right way; I have only a vague notion of how it is done but am about to go see my notaire to see what can be sorted. After 70 the conditions are not so generous, but not sure of the details. One interesting thing is that one can give kids a property but retain the usufruit which is not possible under UK inheritance law. But in the UK, you can leave up to £325K each and £650K per couple to anyone you wish, with no tax to pay. This is going to increase to £500K and £1,000,000 per couple shortly.No need to spend on seeing a notaire, its so simple anyone can do it, so no added expense for legal fees. No need for the expense of setting up a usufruit, or similar. And if that's not enough allowance for you, you can give it away, and if you live for seven years after the gift, then no tax. Then there are trusts to hand it on if you wish to set one up. Its just such a fight with the French government to hang onto what's yours, I was merely advising that it may not be worth all the hassle of moving to France in later life but each to their own and another viewpoint can help, even if you don't decide to follow it. I still fail to see how this is ‘spouting garbage’ , just stating the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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