brianagain Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 George Bernard Shaw once wrote..."The law is equal before all of us; but we are not all equal before the law. Virtually there is one law for the rich and another for the poor, one law for the cunning and another for the simple, one law for the forceful and another for the feeble, one law for the ignorant and another for the learned, one law for the brave and another for the timid, and within family limits one law for the parent and no law at all for the child."I'm only saying.Brian (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ''The new details will include evidence that the maid lied to prosecutors about her caught-on-tape plotting for a Strauss-Kahn payday just one day after the alleged assault, and that she also lied to them about having had sex the night before the alleged assault -- a consensual encounter that offers an innocent explanation for redness cited by her lawyers as proof of Strauss-Kahn's guilt, the sources said.''http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/08/history-bombshells-dsk-case/41567/ ''In the end, Vance and his team knew there was only one person’s rights they had to protect — and it was Strauss-Kahn. The DA had no case beyond a reasonable doubt.''Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20110822/manhattan/behind-scenes-how-dsk-case-fell-apart#ixzz1Vn4zDB2DInnocent until proven guilty - just saying [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Surely this is not a great cause or celebration i the DSK camp - this way even if he was totally innocent, the slur remains. As Wooly says 'he got off' not 'he was innocent' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Well to some he never could have been innocent, he was after all a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 To me it looks like the maid has been found guilty and she wasn't even on trial - what a mess ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 From Just Johns link:I reported last Friday that the tipping points came from two revelations.One was the final analysis of Diallo's telephone conversation with her imprisoned con-man ex-boyfriend the day after the alleged rape. The translation, provided by a translator chosen by prosecutors and Diallo's attorney, showed she was interested in DSK's money.The other was the fact Diallo, an immigrant from Guinea, engaged in sex the night before the alleged rape and that the encounter might be used by DSK's attorneys to explain away some of her most private bruises.So Diallo had sex the night before the attack and then discussed DSK’s wealth and how she might benefit from the attack. There is nothing wrong inherently with either fact. But those were far from the only problems with the case.There were bank accounts in Diallo's name, through which more than $100,000 has passed, but she claimed to know nothing about them. Her immigration papers contained a fabricated story of rape in her homeland and genital mutilation that she repeated with such certainly that investigators became teary-eyed. Problem was it was untrue. She even cheated on her tax returns.Investigators were the first to unearth the disturbing pattern. Even the most open-minded could not believe her. Experience gained over decades of investigating murderers and rapists told them there were too many issues about her credibility to believe what she was saying actually occurred in Room 2608 of the Sofitel in May.Yet, prosecutors continued to hold roundtable legal and strategy sessions, culling law books for cases to support going forward with Diallo as their key, but troubled, witness.They even brought in other skilled lawyers from their office who were not directly involved in the case. They wanted fresh eyes and ears to examine the evidence in the event there was something they missed.Finally, after the new revelations and others surfaced recently, the hard reality set in. The case was dead. Sex-crime experts know that somewhere between 10 percent and 15 percent of all rape allegations are proven to be false. And I mean untrue and recanted — not just impossible to prove.She should be on trial but I doubt that she will be, in the meantime the innocent man has lost a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 C'mon RH, her testimony was examined and proved to be full of lies . . . , I'm with you Chance, thank goodness for the criminal justice system and not the Lynch Mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Becase he wasn't proven guilty doesn't automaticallymean he was innocent........that is why this is a real mess.Maybe it was a set up - in whih case it worked because the case acted as a catalyst for a lot of other stuff to surface - may be in the long term thats a good thing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just john Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 [quote user="Russethouse"] Becase he wasn't proven guilty doesn't automaticallymean he was innocent [/quote]At the risk of being pedantic RH it does, that is the law, innocent until proven guilty, unfortunately many may hold onto their presumption of guilt, therein lies the injusticeI hope she enjoys her trip back to Guinea . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianagain Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 From the Guardian website tonight:"Strauss-Kahn, a French presidential contender, was arrested on a plane to Europe. ... Through his lawyers he has never contested the fact that a sexual encounter took place but has denied allegations that any act was forced."He's not guilty - he's just irresistible[:D]Brian (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It stinks ! Money talks . If you are poor the rich will always grind you into the dirt .So much for the USA legal system standing up for the little guy . They should be ashamed of themselves . This case deserved to go to court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardener Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The only "evidence" that seems to have been throughly tested is the life of the complainant and not what allegdedly happened in the hotel room. DSK never denied afaik that a sexual encounter ocurred, he said consensual she say it wasn't. It should have been left for a judge and jury to decide and as I have said before, DSK's team could have possibly made some mileage from whatever character flaws they felt she may have had.That she may not have been honest about things unconnected to this case eg visa application etc, does not mean that she lied about what happened in the hotel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="Chancer"]From Just Johns link:I reported last Friday that the tipping points came from two revelations.One was the final analysis of Diallo's telephone conversation with her imprisoned con-man ex-boyfriend the day after the alleged rape. The translation, provided by a translator chosen by prosecutors and Diallo's attorney, showed she was interested in DSK's money.The other was the fact Diallo, an immigrant from Guinea, engaged in sex the night before the alleged rape and that the encounter might be used by DSK's attorneys to explain away some of her most private bruises.So Diallo had sex the night before the attack and then discussed DSK’s wealth and how she might benefit from the attack. There is nothing wrong inherently with either fact. But those were far from the only problems with the case.There were bank accounts in Diallo's name, through which more than $100,000 has passed, but she claimed to know nothing about them. Her immigration papers contained a fabricated story of rape in her homeland and genital mutilation that she repeated with such certainly that investigators became teary-eyed. Problem was it was untrue. She even cheated on her tax returns.Investigators were the first to unearth the disturbing pattern. Even the most open-minded could not believe her. Experience gained over decades of investigating murderers and rapists told them there were too many issues about her credibility to believe what she was saying actually occurred in Room 2608 of the Sofitel in May.Yet, prosecutors continued to hold roundtable legal and strategy sessions, culling law books for cases to support going forward with Diallo as their key, but troubled, witness.They even brought in other skilled lawyers from their office who were not directly involved in the case. They wanted fresh eyes and ears to examine the evidence in the event there was something they missed.Finally, after the new revelations and others surfaced recently, the hard reality set in. The case was dead. Sex-crime experts know that somewhere between 10 percent and 15 percent of all rape allegations are proven to be false. And I mean untrue and recanted — not just impossible to prove.She should be on trial but I doubt that she will be, in the meantime the innocent man has lost a lot.[/quote] A G R E E D !! ........................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 The recommendation for dismissal in full EDIT, eeeew, they really should clean their carpets more often [+o(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="just john "][quote user="Russethouse"] Becase he wasn't proven guilty doesn't automaticallymean he was innocent [/quote]At the risk of being pedantic RH it does, that is the law, innocent until proven guilty, unfortunately many may hold onto their presumption of guilt, therein lies the injusticeI hope she enjoys her trip back to Guinea . . . [/quote]Unfortunatley for Mr Strauss Kahn 'the law' does not get a vote in electionsAs she was obviously aware of her immigration status - lies she may have told etc, why would she have fabricatd this and made a fuss ? Frenchie, whatever you think of the woman in question, isn't it a whole lot better that all the facts about DSK came out before anyone thought of making him President........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Perhaps guests will now have to pay a premium to use that room and will be able to reenact the events with a paid and willing partner. In which case, the carpet will have to be cleaned after every guest.What should the room the called though: the DSK Suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 However now that the case has been dropped we probably will never know exactly what did happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="Rabbie"]However now that the case has been dropped we probably will never know exactly what did happen[/quote]Exactly.The only way DSK can show his complete innocence (or guilt) is for the case to go ahead. To me it is now in 'limbo land' which I think is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 That's why I like the Scottish verdict of 'Not Proven'We know you did itYou know you did itWe just can't prove it I'm not saying DSK is an angel by any means but the whole thing smells of 'Setup' right from the beginning and has had the desired result. DSK asperation to High Office is scuppered. Being booted out of the IMF was a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Animal Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Maybe he even set it up himself as he didn't wish to become président. Who knows! [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="Pierre ZFP"]That's why I like the Scottish verdict of 'Not Proven'We know you did itYou know you did itWe just can't prove it [/quote]Which is of course what the English "Not Guilty " verdict can mean. I remember many years ago hearing a discussion between lawyers on the differences between Scats and English verdicts. It was pointed out that while the Scots "Not Guilty" meant what it said the English "Not Guilty" covered both variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="Rabbie"]However now that the case has been dropped we probably will never know exactly what did happen[/quote]Exactly.The only way DSK can show his complete innocence (or guilt) is for the case to go ahead. To me it is now in 'limbo land' which I think is worse.[/quote]Ahhh, limboland. Q, are you suggesting that dancing and other sexually encouraging activities might have been involved??[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="Rabbie"]However now that the case has been dropped we probably will never know exactly what did happen[/quote]Exactly.The only way DSK can show his complete innocence (or guilt) is for the case to go ahead. To me it is now in 'limbo land' which I think is worse.[/quote]Ahhh, limboland. Q, are you suggesting that dancing and other sexually encouraging activities might have been involved??[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Not any old dancing, Wools. LOW level dancing, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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