Cheque emploi service

[Glenis]

Can anyone explain how the  "Cheque emploi service" works?    

[Clair]

Hi Glenis

This has been covered several times. Have you tried a forum search?

To get you started: http://www.completefrance.com/cs/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=CESU&f=&u=

[Glenis]

Thank you Clair

[Pads]

Sorry my french isnt good enough yet to read the sites mentioned on the serch page, but I get the gist, Of how to get the Cheque emploi cheque book and how it works , but what I would like to know is if say for example I pay some one a chque once a month for 50e for doing a little gardening for me while im not there, How much on top of that would I expect to have taken out of my account for tax and insurance ect .....?

[Clair]

Try a simulation on this page: http://www.cesu.urssaf.fr/cesweb/simucoti1.jsp

• You need to enter your postcodes as some areas (Bas Rhin...) have a different scale.

• Enter either hourly OR monthly salary, but the hourly rate cannot be lower that the current rate for the SMIC :

Base Forfaitaire    SMIC Horaire Net: 7.14 €

Base du salaire réel  SMIC Horaire Net:  7.16 €

• Option de calcul

Base forfaitaire costs the employer less but gives the employee the strictest minimum social protection.

Base du salaire réel technically costs the employer more but gives the employee better social protection according to the contributions made by and for him and gives the employer a reduced rate of contributions (too complicated to go into...)

• If you don't qualify for any special exoneration, choose NON EXONERE

For 30 hours at € 7.16 on a base forfaitaire:

• you pay your employee €214.80
• your employee receives €214.80 (and declares € 222.64 on his tax form)

• you pay €181.14 in contributions
• you can claim € 197.97 back on your tax form (there is a ceiling for this)

For 30 hours at € 7.16 on a salaire réel basis:

• you pay your employee €214.80
• your employee receives €214.80 (and declares € 222.64 on his tax form)

• you pay €138.84 in contributions
• you can claim € 176.82 back on your tax form (there is a ceiling for this)

PS: I am not a specialist...

[storeysinfrance]

clair - useful info... i think.... but, it throws up another conundrum... last week, i collected a copy of a document from our local social services that showed the current minimum hourly rate as being 8.44... a far cry from the 7.16 mentioned... this, i think, has also been mentioned by others on the forum (whilst searching for info yesterday).

some questions (these are actually on behalf of my partner):

a) is the rate 7.14 / 7.16 and, if so, where does the 8.44 come into the equation?

fyi, the document i have reads as follows: salaire minimum (SMIC): taux horaire brut 8.44 (below this is s 'saise des renumerations section... that i take to mean the amount that one's employer should be paying in contributions... ie, 5% to 275.83 monthly / 10% between the above figure and 541.67 etc etc with increments to 20 / 25.5 / 33.3% etc.

b) is there a way of checking to find out if one's employer is actually paying the contributions they should be?

c) do the hours actually worked weekly make any difference - eg, she usually works about 30 hours or thereabouts. and does the age of the empyee make any odds at all?

d) if one is given a normal straightforward cheque as opposed to the 'correct' kind, does this make a difference? or should one always be paid using the 'correct' chq book?

 

any info with regard to the above would be really helpful.

many thanks

neil (24)

[Clair]

a - The following thread explains the difference: http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1044762/ShowPost.aspx

b - The employee paid by CESU received a payslip every month showing, as all

payslips do, the contributions by both employer and employee. These are calculated automatically according to the info declared by the employer on the volet social of their CESU chequebook. See here for an example: http://www.cesu.urssaf.fr/cesweb/ces3.jsp. If you register with the CESU website, you can see and print a copy of that volet social.

c - The employee is paid an agreed rate per hour. Current legislation limits the working week to 35 hours. As far as I am aware, the age of the employee makes no difference.

d - As per point a - above

Neil, if you have any queries, register with the CESU website (go to espace salarié / inscription) and email them your questions. I have found them very helpful.

As before, I am not a specialist...