CJR

What you are saying is in 400 years time future generations of Quillans and other British expats will not be allowed to be French ? 

History was obviously not a good subject for you at school. You are totally incorrect.  400 years ago would put you in the 17 th century where there was no racial legislation. We are talking about the 20 th century at a time when racial prejudice and racially prejudiced laws were not unusal. Particularly in the USA and Australia. In South Africa and the Cape Province during the 17 th century interacial marriage was not unusual and was socially acceptable.  In the 20 th century expats particularly from the UK, forced the Government  of South Africa to introduce legislation  in the Mining Industry to protect jobs. So we are not talking about 400 years ago in fact until up until 1956  some blacks and coloured people had the vote. In the 20 th century racisim and racial issues was not confined to South Africa but commonplace in Europe.  

If you want to pursue a moral crusade why not pick on the inequalities which are taking place in China and the treatment of women in Islamic coutries. If Nelson Mandela had lived in China he would not have just been imprisoned he would have been executed. It seems that all the great and the good and the politically correct people in our society never attack the inequalities in large and powerful societies it seems that might is right. Globally you should realise that the equity and rules of fair play that prevail in western society and culture are under attack from the vary values they are trying to protect. Western Society  is in similar situation which lead to the fall of  great civilisations like that of the ancient Romans and Greeks. Firstly what the white university students did in South Africa was deplorable,  however when taken in context this racial incident is once of a series happening in the country. It is easy to take the moral high ground but consider what is really happening in South Africa and other African countries. I went to a University in South Africa which produced at least five nobel prize winners in the sciences(It is unlikely that any further Nobel Laureate's will come from South Africa for scientific achievment) and before Jan Smuts was voted out of power in South Africa because of the liberal race policies of his party (Incidently I do not think you know it ,but he wrote the preamble to the United Nations Charter and played a leading role in forming the League of Nations ,a truely great achievment by a South African who was born in the country with the same rights as the current rulers of S A )( not an Expat like yourself ). The jury is still out on muti-cultural societies , my view is they do not work nor will they work because of human nature like the failed communist and socialist model. Homogenious societies work best and achieve most. Japan is smaller than the UK with a greater population and largely a homegenioussociety and look at what has been achieved post 1945. They had the effects of two nuclear weapons being used on them yet there current generation have no vendetta on the Americans. I can not see this happening in Africa with all its problems. These were not created by the colonials but by the current generation of African rulers and their propensity for greed , corruption and incompetence and only looking after number one and not the people they govern and lead. Jacob Zuma the leader of the ANC excluded white journalists from a briefing to the forum of black journalists recently , also white South African school children are having to swear an oath where they are made to feel morally inferior to their fellow  black students. The South African Government practices affirmative action , not employment of the best and most suitable for the position. I can not see any reasonable person wanting to live in a society like this whether they are black white pink or yellow.This means as a consequence you have a large number of either incompetent or government stooges in positions of great responsibility. This is one of the main reasons the fabric of the economic infrastructure is crumbling as is the case throughout Africa. Also, it is only in a corrupt government like the current one running the affairs of state in South Africa where you have a rapist and one who is shortly to be charged with corruption for the theft of nearly £200 million in an arms deal. There is documentary proof of Zuma's transgressions  however, my guess is that Zuma will never be convicted because there is no longer a fair legal system in operation in South Africa which used uphold the very basic legal rights of individuals. If this were not the case, when things changed and Nelson Mandela became South Africa's first black president it would not have been very peaceful at all in South Africa the whites accepted that they when in control they behaved badly however that was in 1994 nearly 14 years ago and South Africa is no better place than it was in 1994 in fact it is far worse and not really democratic.This is largely unreported in the European and UK media.  

Quinllin ignores the current situation in Africa which is where this discussion started. He does not acknowledge that strategic assets like Kariba , Cabora Bassa , rail networks , roads & houses are not being built or repaired in Africa.  Affirmative action in the labour market has resulted in skilled professionals leaving African countries in vast numbers. There are over 2 million South Africans including doctors, dentists, vets , accountants, engineers and other professionals which  have left because they felt there was no security for thir families and no future.   He also ignores that in the book "The Washing of the Spears "  Shaka acknowledged the superiority of  the way things were done in Western Europe. I lived in Zululand and represented Zululand at golf where I qualified as a chartered  accountant.  During my time in Zululand I learnt the Zulu language and attended a number of functions where I came into contact with  Chief Buthulezi,  so I am speaking from a position of strength about the current problems in Africa.  Chief Buthulezi is a moderate and has also acknowledged the causes of the problems in Africa. The African states which have became independent were left with  fairly reasonable infrastructures and it is only because of corrupt and incompetent leadership that Africa has the problems it has. It has been reliably estimated that costs of corruption in Africa amounts to £200 billion  and still growing. You can build a lot of schools, hospitals ,roads and economic infrastructure for  this amount of cash. Thabu Mbeki has supported his relative Robert Mugabe with free electricity,  free maize  and free fuel  at the expense of the South African taxpayer. Any western leader would find himself in jail if he did the same.as Mbeki.You can not blame the 'Colonials' (or the whites) for this incompetence and corruption. African leaders' policies have resulted in increasingly huge gaps between the poor and the well off.  The leaders in South Africa for example, often do not realise that stability attracts skills which the country desperately needs.  That is why people want to leave these countries and come to Europe. The reason  why there is so much crime is the poverty gap , in South Africa both crime and poverty are now worse than during the days of apartheid. This  is almost unbelievable.  Look at Zimbabwe,  Zambia,  Congo, Angola, Kenya , Namibia & many others -  all in a mess. CJR

I do not want give a history lesson but I think you should you need one especially one in economic history.  The poor inhabitants in England,  France,  Germany, Russia and other European countries were also exploited in the 17th and 18th centuries. What distinguishes western society from the current situation in Africa is that our socities have become better managed through eduction and discipline, and we have a legal and social framework in which to manage our economies for the people. We do not have leaders like most African leaders who think that when they rise to power with the sole responsibility of managing and controling their economies they often act so irresponsibly that their people suffer from starvation, lack of education, training,  housing,   a suitable infrastructure and internal  investment in their local economies. Take South Africa,  as well as a lot of other countries in Africa which have vast natural resouces: oil in Nigeria and Angola,  massive mineral wealth  which is a  huge capability for  generating vast energy needs.   These have been largely badly managed through corruption and greed by the political leaders in Africa.  How can you blame the colonials for the poor and corrupt leadership of the majority of the countries in Africa ? The colonials left a fairly healthy infrastuctrure on which the indegionous populations could build, yet they have wasted this instead they have let these infrastructures decay and degrade into what they are now. Take the examples Kariba , Cabora Bassa no longer generating electricity at the moment also the current power situation in South Africa with the blackouts etc which is affecting industry and jobs. There has been no planning or management of these strategic assets by the indigenious leaders. There are so many examples of these situations in throught Africa. This is not about race or the Colonies in Africa but about the culture of African leadership and politics. Why is it that we have such huge illegal immigration into Europe and America from Africa ?   It is because what these societies offer compared to those run by the morally bankrupt African leaders. It is these corrupt and incompetent African leaders who are responsible for the appaling state of Africa. CJR