Lollie, The point of your post being? That somehow by assessing incomes on an efter tax basis rather than pretax gives them a more responsible tag? That I am being irresponsible going for a loan that I cannot afford? If you had done some homework (as I have) you would discover that Barclays UK web site have a Mortgage calculator http://www.barclaysmicrosites.co.uk/mortgage_calculator/ that uses "The maximum you could borrow, based on 4 times your salary minus your monthly expenditure, is" as a reference- no mention of after tax income. So is Barclays UK irresponsible because they do not assess you on net(after tax) income? The answer is clearly no. Is it because the French Government have legislation that prevents using 30% of gross income as an affordibility base..... Well no because many of the other French banks use Gross Income . Are all these other banks being "irresponsible"? Big call Lollie. If they are then the french real estate market is about to collapse beacause of all these irresponsible banks lending irresponsibly. If you want to see irresponsible lending, take a look at the US where they are now lending "interest only" with no deposit required. Virtually a lease on the property. Oh yeah did I mention that often they do not require proof of income. THATS irresponsible lending Lollie- none of the French banks are irresponsible- just some are more responsible than others.