sue

Thank you NormanH, I believe I have all the correct information now. Yes i am a bit miffed but hey how a lot of things have made me miffed since moving over here.

its half a dozen boxes that need fillling in. All i wanted was to make sure i was reading the information correctly. Some of the things I have asked has been there right in front of me but I missed it. I will explain everything to them as i have been doing so far. They will know what I have put and why. I'm not trying to swap roles or anything just trying to help them. I got told the other day this was the place to ask for help and to keep asking questions. So thats what I have done. I got help from friends (that have now moved away) when i first came over so now I would like to help my parents that have helped me all my life and continually to do so. Its one thing I am trying to help them with. I will go back to google finding out the information. Thank you for those that have helped me.

I will get them to sort a copy of the s1 and have it ready just in case then.

[quote user="idun"]Ah no sue, finding english speakers when one moves to France is not the answer to anything. What if you were not there, business, hospital, anything and they had to sort stuff out for a little while for you and your family. Just how stressful would that be. As I said, they are not 'old', but I suppose when past 60, old age is approaching, so a good time to get to grips with french and french ways of dealing with things as french residents. LOL You are making me feel old, and if I followed this reasoning, should be feeling incapable and stressed by my own inadequacies.Glad I am not. [/quote] I'm not trying to make you feel old. Not in the slightest. However they have not been in France long and I was trying to explain why I am helping them with the first tax return. Next year it will be a simple 1 2 3. They have manage to go the dentist, buy a car etc but the tax forms scare the French let alone an English couple with limited French. In fact they are out and about most days.

We are not in a tourist area so finding anyone that speaks English is hard work. Yes they could sort it out theirselves but I would like to save them the stress

They are 66 and 64. They help me out a lot with child care so the least i could do is help them fill this in. Their French is very poor but is slowly getting better. If I was not here they would not of moved over. Since they have moved here my life has become a lot easier and maybe theirs harder as they left a lot of friends behind (their choice i know) and also my brother. Asking a few questions in my evenings rather then spending a good few hours with the tax man as i would have to go with them (yes i would feel obliged) is a lot easier for me. I was using the tax help post that is in this section and thought maybe they should of been paying because I am pretty sure the form they used to get their carte vital was an S form not an E form. As I explained in a previous post to either you or Normanh ( on blasted phone so can't check) I missed the comments regarding pensions. How I don't know. Obviously the " help" post is very helpful but maybe needs a tiny bit updating if the forms have changed.

thank you again NormanH. I got a wee bit confused as it had "E" form and I know it wasnt an E form they had. Where do i actually write Titulaire de formulaire S1 ( donc pas a la charge de l'assurance maladie' Is it just above the 5 x "8" boxes

Just been doing a draft of the 2047 (2042 still not downloadable) and have got confused reading the below quote i have found on the "help" post Q: I have a UK non-public sector pension - how do I declare this? A: Company pensions and the UK old age state pension are entered (gross) on form 2047 section I. PENSIONS, RETRAITES, RENTES. The totals then go across to box AS/BS on the 2042. Finally, if your French healthcare cover is courtesy of an E-form, then you are exempt from social charges (contributions sociales) on your UK company and old age pensions. So, on form 2047 section VIII REVENUS DE SOURCE ÉTRANGÈRE SOUMIS EN FRANCE À L’IMPÔT SUR LE REVENU ET IMPOSABLES À LA CONTRIBUTION POUR LE REMBOURSEMENT DE LA DETTE SOCIALE (C.R.D.S.) - just write in 'Titulaire de formulaire E121 (or whichever E-form you have), donc je ne suis pas a la charge de l'assurance maladie' and leave the amount box blank. However, if your heathcare cover is under couverture maladie universelle (CMU) and you are paying your quarterly 8% health contributions, then your pension will be subject to social charges. If this is the case, then as well as entering your pension(s) in box AS/BS on form 2042, you additionally need to enter the amount of your pension in section VIII of form 2047 and transfer the total to box TL (page 4, section 8) on form 2042. That's it for private company and old age pensions. They have there health cover via the oap form (think it was the s1? from england). They have not paid anything quarterly nor have been asked to either. Should they have been paying something. IF so how do i rectify the none payment.

I dont often admit I am an idiot but sometimes its that blatant I have too

The forms a slowy but surely coming on line. Downloaded the 2047 on Friday. The 2042 was still not updated then. Will check again later

Hi Norman, think my post came over wrong. I was basically calling my self an idiot

NormanH i have looked at that page so many times in the last few days that i was about to moan and say I cant see where it says about pensions. However somehow i missed the pension bit i think because it said about government teachers pension. I shall stay quite now Thank you

Thanks guys for all you help so far. Can someone give me the box ref where i can enter state pension on the 2042 and a small private pension on the 2047. I also believe there is a form that my parents need to fill in stating what English account they have ( something i need to do to)

That is one thing i do not understand as surely the loan contract is made with the "dead person" not his children. I assume there is a somewhere in the original contract that the child would be left to pay of the debts but then the child should sign the agreement also. Luckily my parent do not and very much doubt they will have when they die, any debts ( excluding hospital and funeral etc)

forgot to say i got my "prefilled" form through the post today. Happy days

Oh do not get me wrong. I do try my best not to moan about the French as its my choice that i moved here. However i do think i should of done a lot more research before we did and not rely on what my agent told me ( especially regarding how much heath cover was!!). I also tell my anglish associates to stop moaning about the nhs/benifits that they get as they do not realise how lucky they are

well father is 66, mother is 64. My children are 9 and 2. I am hoping the burden will not full on them

[quote user="idun"]It isn't only the children but grandchildren and great grand children too that are required to contribute if there isn't enough money to pay for a home. [/quote] OMG!!!!! no way

[quote user="Hereford"]Plus you transfer the private pension to the main form 2042 - box to do this in is obvious. As an aside: be aware that if either of your parents needs to go to a Maison de Retraite later in life and they cannot pay the full fees then you will be required to submit a form regarding your income and may well have to contribute. We are in the process of doing the paperwork for this. Even "children" who are not in France will be asked to complete a form. Mrs H [/quote] I have a shovel and 12 acres of land with a deep lake. No need for a retirement home ;-) I will hopefully be used to the french paper work by then

So i need to declare the samll private pension my dad has on the 2047 and the normal state pension on the 2042?

Have got the father to have a look through all his paper work. With his state pension that gets paid directly into his french account so i am going to write all the figures down from each month. The other one he gets paid into his english account. What exchange rate do i use for that?

Eek I am not sure. They are not getting taxed on what they get. Says something like you allowance is x and if you earn above this then you might be liable to pay tax. However their pensions are below that amount. im not sure what the tax code is. Is it just the 2042 form they need to fill out when declaring they "earnings" or the 2047 as well ( i think thats the form numbers). Sorry for all the questions. Just dont want to get on the wrong side of the french tax man. Its bad enough with the rsi i am under

They have received some forms saying what their tax code is and how much I/R are allowing for fathers private pension. Everything is getting sent here. I dont think any PAYE is being taken. CSG doh. I knew that. Just didnt ring a bell when you wrote it earlier.

Just a normal state pension and i have got them their carte vital already so thats one job down. My marie is hardly ever open when it is its when i am at work. Will keep checking on line and down load it then. DWP know they are in France. What is CSG. Is it Capital something Gains?

Hi Idun I have already informed the tresorie that they are living here. Strange that out tax was only about 300€ last year where the year before it was just over 1k?? No doubt get a back dated bill *sigh*. What form do i need them to fill in. My father gets a full state pension and a small private pension of about £210 a month. My mother only gets a pension based on my dads earnings (£70ish a week). Also i have just tried downlaoding the forms for myself but see they are still for 2011. Thought i would get a head start in case i done get a prefilled one sent to me.