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First and foremost, thanks fo all comments re this issue. Secondly, looks like I need to explain a few things - perhaps my desire to avoid pointing out personal matters on this story kind of clouded a bit the discussion. 1. A very good friend of mine knows this guy who got the interdiction to leave France. Now, after hearing the story, I thought that it was total bullshit, for reasons I will explain now: a) the alledged problem this Romanian guy had in France was an assault on a French woman he was living with. From what I was told, there was no hospitalization, nothing but an argument, followed by a complaint to the Police. This incident happened 3 YEARS ago. b) after this incident, this Romanian guy got an interdiction to leave France. I find this plausible, but what I find totally out of logic is the legth of this interdiction. Three years and counting ?! Not that what he did was some peanuts, but there was plenty of time for a trial, for jail time, for anything. Three years of forced domicile arrest whitout a trial is incredibile. This makes me think that the reason why this Romanian guy got busted was more than a simple assault. I mean, you don't limit for years the right of a citizen to go back to his country, based on a complaint submitted by someone who says that he had an argument with you. This could be true in a Kafka novel, but by all means, we are talking about France, not Botswana or Thailand. On the other hand, I find incredible that France did not chose to expel the guy, instead of keeping him in France, close to the alledged victim. This sounds like a guy comes to my home, hits me, Police comes and instead of sending him as far as possible from me - the victim - they forbid this guy to leave my home until the trial is ended. ?!!!!! 2. I also find it hard to believe that France or any other democratic country can keep a foreign person, without trial, for such a long period of time. I have never ever heard about such things until now. OK, if a foreigner breaks the law, you have the right to arrest him for a reasonable period of time, eventually - pending on the case - bring him to trial and make him spend time in jail. I also find it impossible that France may have a juducial system wher a person charged with assualt and CONVINCTED for this crime gets no time in jail, but... "the interdiction to leave France". What I tried to find out outhere was simple: is this story credible ? Is it possible that someone who commited in France an assault to get this kind of punishment ?

Beside hiring a French  lawyer in order to sort this thing out, any suggestions as about other forums - even French writen, does not matter - where I could get am answer ? Is there any database with the ones who are under "judicial control" ?

Yes, it was an assault - but I don't think that it was any jail time inolved. What I find absolutelly incredibile is this: so basically, here I am, coming from Africa, America, God knows where from, I am assaulting a woman in Paris, and these guys, instead of putting me away in a jail and the second I did my time, to send me packed back home, they do what ? Keep me in France, so I can go and who knows, assault another French citizen. I cannot believe that France can forcefully keep a foreign citizen, unless he or she is serving time IN A JAIL. And beside that, I think that the best proof that this "judiciary control" is useless was proven by this guys' trip to Romania. He went thru customs without any problems at all. I mean, do these French guys ever heard about computers and sharing data between different police depts ? Thanks for your insights, Pickles.

Come on, you say that this Cantat guy was found guilty of murder and punished only with this "control judiciaire" ? I think that he spent some time in jail and eventually got this "control". although it seems out of logic to me: so you have a foreign criminal in your country and you insist on keeping him inside your country, when the safer way is to expell him. Hm, if I found a bad dog on my property, I would certainly insist on having him sent away :-) To come back to our horses - this story was told to a good friend of mine by this guy I am telling you about, who lives in France, I would not care much if this good friend of mine did not buy it entirely. I mean, come on, the French fovernment can't be that stupid as to forbid a foreigner to leave France. A foreigner who - as far as I know - did nothing more than argue (with a bit of phisical contact) with his girlfriend. This cannot be grounds for keeping someone for years into a foreign country.  

The issue was not Romania or any other country, I was only trying to point out clearly that the guy is a citizen of EU, and that's why I stated that he was Romanian. He may have been a Brit, for what it counts, it would be all the same. . Then again, he says that the French police or whatever forbids him to exit France for 3 years now. This thing you said - about an unpaid debt cannot be the reason - then again, think about it this way: somebody from Britain, for instance, goes to Romania, something goes wrong and the guy finds himself owing to a Romanian guy an ammount of money, and therefore THE ROMANIAN GOVT forbids the Englishman to leave and go back to his citinzeship country. There is no way on Earth that the government of a country  would interfere into private, civil matters, by highjacking foreign citizens who are not arrested for serious offences. It could be possible that this guy I am talking about got into trouble with the law. But then again - he is free, this thing - not being allowed to leave France - lasts for years, any court of law would have already dealt with the matter, after 3 years.  My question is simple: do you guys ever heard about such a thing like an EU state, call it X, to forbid a citizen from a different EU country, call it country Y, to leave X and go back to his native Y at his free will ? Remember, this citizen is free, he is not under custody, and the only thing that may be odd about him is that he had a scandal with a female citizen of X. This is by no means enough grounds to force someone to stay in your country for 3 years.  I say this is insane, lol. Then again, anyone from France who has some beef about it ?

Good evening, ladies and gents I am going to try being brief. There is this guy, Romanian citizen, who lives in France from like 1995. The rest of the story is his version, and I need to find out if it is plausible. So this guy says that he did not get the permanent residence yet. His choise, I guess. On the other hand, he says that the French Police forbids him to leave France - 3 years ago, he got into a fight with his ex-girlfriend, the woman filed a complaint and therefore he was forced into staying in France... for years and years. Now, this whole thing sounds silly to me, but I need your input, perhaps France's legislation is out of this world.  France and Romania are both EU members, so I can guess, by the same token, that a French citizen who gets into a minor domestic incident in Romania, will not be kept against his will, indefintelly, in Romania. This guys' situation - not being allowed to leave France - lasts for 3 years now. He says so, I am only presenting his story. However, 2 years ago, he managed somehow to sneak into Romania (by plane, lol). He got back in France after 2 weeks, by bus. Also, what kind of police force into her right mind would force a FOREIGN guy who was repeatedelly arrested for scandals, heavy drinking, possible some drugs, to continue to stay in that country. As far as I know, every government on this planet would expell pronto such creatures, if caught in the act of any wrongdoing. Now, please tell me if such a story can be true, if this thing might exist in France - an authority - I presume that a court of law - to forbid a foreign citizen to leave France for 3 years and counting, while he is out free in Paris, working on the black market - as he always did in the past 15 years. Merci beaucoup.