parsnips Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Hi, Update; receipt of my demand was acknowledged by local office 12/10/2018; 16/10/2018 I was advised it had been passed to the legal dept. at La Rochelle; nothing received since then - which I cautiously take as a good sign . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Thank you, Parsnips, for your input. I have now consulted my secure messagerie as there has been no further communication from my local tax office.Against my request, in the column titled "status", it says that my email is awaiting an answer from DGFiP, so they are unable to act or reply without guidance from further up? At least I now know that others besides me continue to wait. Thank you to everyone who has contributed by their responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juswundrin2 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Had a reply yesterday that they'll get back to us after the Court's final decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Juswunderin2, I expect that it's now the same for everybody.....waiting to hear what the court says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittersmate Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Update: Today we have received 3 letters informing us that our claim has been forwarded to the legal department in Vannes - one letter for each of the years claimed for (2015, 2016 and 2017) and with individual reference no. for each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I copied and pasted a slightly modified form of juswundrin2's letter to SIP Carcassonne via their message system on November 8th, and received the following reply on November 22:-"Bonjour,Votre réclamation a bien été prise en compte.Cordialement,Mme Isabelle CAMILLOContrôleur principal des Finances Publiques " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evianers Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 As the OP of this thread, I would like to say thank you to all who responded and who provided some very helpful information. It is now 30 days since we registered our claim via secure messages and, like most people, it says that it is awaiting a response from the DGFIP. I'm guessing that our local office have kicked it upstairs to Annecy - who in turn have probably kicked it higher upstairs to Lyon.All we can do now is wait until the result of the Government's appeal is known, so - back to sleep.Regards to all,Sheila's OH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 On Friday (30/11) I received a letter from Isabelle Camillo, dated 22/11/2018, with the following information:"Votre demande, ............................................., a été transmise au service compétent : DIRECTION CONTROLE FISCAL ............ " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Haven't heard a dicky bird. However, I have to go in tomorrow so might bring up the subject of my email.Just received a letter with a demande for the taxe foncière with a fine added. As I pay by prélèvement, how can it be my fault if they don't take the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just pay it - It cant be much by your standards and i'm sure there are more needy people.,Its like donating to a charity but without the publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsnips Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hi, Just received this from legal dept;Vous avez fait une réclamation auprès du SIP de Jonzac le 10/08/2018. Cette réclamations vise les prélèvements sociaux appliqués sur vos revenus de capitaux mobiliers perçus en 2015 pour lesquels il est demandé l'application de la jurisprudence De Ruyter. Il convient de vous apporter l'information suivante. L'article 24 de la loi n° 2015-1702 du 21/12/2015 du financement de la sécurité sociale pour 2016 a entendu tirer les conséquences de la jurisprudence de Ruyter en modifiant l'affectation budgétaire des prélèvements sociaux assis sur les revenus du capital afin de s'assurer la mise en conformité de ces impositions au droit de l'Union Européenne à compter du 1er janvier 2016. Désormais, à compter de cette date, les prélèvements sociaux dus sur les revenus du capital sont affectés à des structures qui financent des prestations qui n'entrent pas dans le champ d'application de la réglementation communautaire de coordination des systèmes de Sécurité sociale; mais ils servent des prestations destinées à garantir à leurs bénéficiaires un revenu minimal de subsistance, et dont l'attribution n'est pas réservée à des personnes affiliées à la Sécurité sociale en France. Les réclamations formulées devraient donc faire, au fond, l'objet d'un rejet. Toutefois la compatibilité des impôts en cause avec le droit de l'Union européenne est actuellement contestée. Le Tribunal Administratif de Strasbourg, dans une décision rendue le 11 juillet 2017, a jugé que les changements d'affectation budgétaire opérés laissaient subsister un lien direct et suffisamment pertinent avec certaines branches de la sécurité sociale, ce qui rendait le nouveau dispositif français contraire au principe d'unicité énoncé au règlement européen. Dans l'arrêt rendu le 31 mai 2018, la Cour Administrative d'Appel (CAA) de Nancy a pour l'essentiel confirmé le jugement du Tribunal Administratif de Strasbourg en jugeant en particulier que la fraction des prélèvements sociaux affectés au Fonds de Solidarité Vieillesse (FSV) et à la Caisse d'Amortissement de la Dette Sociale (CADES) étaient contraires au droit de l'Union Européenne, pour les personnes affiliées à la sécurité sociale dans un autre Etat membre. La CAA a en revanche sollicité l'arbitrage de la CJCE s'agissant des seules contributions affectées à la Caisse nationale de solidarité pour l'autonomie. Le ministre de l'action et des comptes publics s'est pourvu en cassation le 31 juillet 2018 contre l'arrêt de la CAA. En conséquence, dans l'attente des suites qui seront données à ces recours, le traitement des réclamations reposant sur cette problématique, est suspendu pour l'instant et jusqu'à nouvel ordre. Je reste à votre disposition pour tout renseignement complémentaire. Recevez mes sincères salutations, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Well, that's clear then.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 And probably to be expected. Think I've better things to do with my time sadly, if this is going to be the standard response now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 So, if the processing of claims based on this issue is suspended for the moment and until further notice is there any point in submitting a claim at this time. I was about to submit a claim when I read the above response and am now wondering whether to bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just do it, pd; it only takes a couple of minutes and there is nothing else to lose? Parsnips did say earlier that you only have till the end of this year to make the claim for the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathar Tours Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I have no interest in this BUT I think if you thought about it you might come to the conclusion that's exactly what they want you to do because it makes their life simpler and there won't be a backlog of claims to sort out later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsnips Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Hi, I think people are possibly misreading this; if you do some research , you will find that the government has already , more or less , accepted defeat and is hastily preparing a substitute tax for future years. Here are extracts from my reply to that long response and their answer.; " Bonjour Merci pour votre explication. Je comprends que ma reclamation restera en suspens pour le moment. Entretemps je vais préparer réclamations pour les années 2017 et 2018 (revenus de 2016 et 2017). Je pense que j'aurai jusqu'à la fin de 2019 avant de les soumettre (si ,enfin les prélevements sont jugés incompatibles avec le droit UE), ai-je raison ? Cordialement,""Rebonjour, Effectivement, pour l'impôt sur le revenu mis en recouvrement en 2017 (revenus 2016), vous avez jusqu'au 31/12/2019 pour émettre une réclamation. Quant à l'impôt mis en recouvrement en 2018, vous avez jusqu'au 31/12/2020 pour le faire. Cordialement," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Something to report but, don't hold your breath, it's nothing definitive, lol!Email yesterday to say that my request has now been put in the hands of the bods who deal with "contentious" issues. So, I emailed my local impots end of Oct, was told that my problem has been referred to the impots in Périgueux and now, 3 months later, told that my claim is contentieux and is now in some legal section.Thought it's only fair to tell you in view of all the help I have had and also to see if anyone else has had any reply from their impots.alors, à vous?[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evianers Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 This is actually Sheila...... surprise, surprise!Our claim is "being dealt with" whatever that means. One can obviously put in one's own interpretation. But not wanting to sound in any way superior or snobbish, we feel that perhaps [probably] the Haute Savoie is geared up to deal with these claims more effectively? Or not? What do others feel - does where you live play a role in all things to do with the dreaded Impots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 [quote user="Evianers"]This is actually Sheila...... surprise, surprise!Our claim is "being dealt with" whatever that means. One can obviously put in one's own interpretation. But not wanting to sound in any way superior or snobbish, we feel that perhaps [probably] the Haute Savoie is geared up to deal with these claims more effectively? Or not? What do others feel - does where you live play a role in all things to do with the dreaded Impots?[/quote]Sheila, I would say that where you live has EVERYTHING to do with the dreaded impots and the dreaded everything else[:-))]I have holidayed a few times (summer and winter) there and I love being in the Haute Savoie! Maybe you are just a more sophisticated lot altogether? Here in the Dordogne, as no doubt ALBF would be quick to confirm, we are mere compagnards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Strange but True![:P]Had a secure message to say that my query is now closed and that I will get a letter in the post "soon". Meanwhile, there has been a credit to our bank account. The amount is at least one nought short of what I was expecting, so not sure if the credit is to do with the repayment of social charges.I'm not complaining, beggars can't be choosers and as the Tesco ad would have it, "every little helps"!If anyone else has had money, could they please say if it's money from social charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 mint wrote : The amount is at least one nought short of what I was expecting, so not sure if the credit is to do with the repayment of social charges.Recently older friends, who have paid-for help in the home, have received an advance on the rebate that is normally paid after the tax avis in August. These are those people who use chèque emploi and the like.It is unlikely to be the social contributions rebate as the final decision/agreement/statement hasn't been declared yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Ah, thank you, Sue. That would be it as that sounds about right amount-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Could some kind soul please point me to or send me a template letter to reclaim social charges? I used to have one somewhere but it has done the proverbial bunk at some time.Merci buckets in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evianers Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 Here is the one that we used to make our claim on the secure messages section of the Impots website:Monsieur/Madame,Suite au jugement du 11 juillet 2017 du tribunal Administratif de Strasbourg, confirmé par la Cour Administrative d’Appel de Nancy le 31 mai 2018, sur la légalité de l'application des Contributions Sociaux (CSG, CRDS, PS) aux revenus des valeurs mobiliers reçus par des étrangers résidents en France, qui ont leurs frais de santé payées par leurs pays d'origine, je voudrais enregistrer, provisoirement, une réclamation (en tant que titulaire de formulaire E121, donc pas à la charge de l'assurance maladie).https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichJuriAdmin.do?oldAction=rechJuriAdmin&idTexte=CETATEXT000037039702&fastReqId=2003156200&fastPos=2&utm_source=Patrimea+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2d014ba9e9-6.Newsletter_Expat_2018_6_27__&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f1ca407En attendant la décision de la CJUE, je vous prie, dans le cas où la Cour tranche contre l'application de ces charges, de me rembourser les contributions sociaux payées sur mes revenus de valeurs mobiliers reçu pour les années 2015, 2016, 2017 (payées en 2016, 2017. 2018).Veuillez recevoir, Monsieur/Madame, nos salutations distinguées.name (numero fiscal)The long https address in the middle links to the Court of Appeal decisions on the Legifrance website.Hope that helps.(Sheila's other half) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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