Neilc Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 OpelCouple of questions just for clarity if an item has a CE mark is it acceptable for use in franceIf an item conforms to an EN is it acceptable for use in france. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opel Fruit<P><BR>Opel Fruit, Dept. 53<P> Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Yes to both. With a caveat.Italian and German boilers are sold here with CE marking only. Fine. But you cannot use them in the UK - the fuel is wrong.Copper pipe drawn in Belgium has EN 1057, NF and BS markings. The Italian copper has just EN 1057.All are usable, even the 15mm stuff - in theory - most copper fittings have EN1057 and EN1524 markings - except the ones which are only made and sold in the UK, which have BS markings only. To make matters more complicated, the (French) COMAP 15mm connectors have EN1057 and EN1524 markings! So you could use them. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that your installation meets building regs! You cannot fit single pole CE MCBs in France. Not because the item is "unfit", but because the requirements forbid them. Similarly, you cannot fill your house with UK sockets, whether they have CE on or not.The situation across Europe is becoming easier. CE and EN are seeing to that. But there is a difference between material/components and installation regulations.Even the French accreditation body AFNOR appear somewhat confused. You can download the various NFs and DTUs from the site.In the end, it is a matter of buying the correct product for the market and the application.It's not that difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Well Op see you have been busy It appears to me you don’t like any one to question you,Ref MCB/RCD going off in a storm /SOLDER/FLUX/EN and yes the Vase d'expansion sanitaire .To you the following appliesIN THE LAND OF THE BLIND THE ONE EYED MAN IS KING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFP2 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 The quote is:"In the Kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is King" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. [In regione caecorum rex est luscus.] Desiderius Erasmus (1466 - 1536), Adagia (III, IV, 96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFP2 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Seems there is a proverb issue here: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/desiderius161329.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 [quote]Yes to both. With a caveat. Italian and German boilers are sold here with CE marking only. Fine. But you cannot use them in the UK - the fuel is wrong. Copper pipe drawn in Belgium has EN 1057, NF a...[/quote]The fuel is wrong?gas is gas, oil is oil,The only difference is uk uses 28second kerosene on low level discharge flues,its mandatory. but you can still use 35second gas oil on conventional flues.Just a matter of changing the nozzel and burner settings as in france..German and Italian boilers are sold in the uk in great numbers. British plumbing fittings etc are manufactured to Bs En Iso British and European standards,the only difference is they are not compatible with the french systems on some sizes.The french cannot seem to do without BSPT.How would that affect the insurance policy. What are you studying in collage next week as part of your apprenticeship opal.[only a joke do not bite.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opel Fruit<P><BR>Opel Fruit, Dept. 53<P> Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Michael, you can't just take a boiler and expect it to work on paraffin, it needs modification. Conversely, people insist on bringing their UK oil boilers here and expect them to just work! Most just need an injector change and that's it, but some have pumps that require replacement. Of the UK import ones, those with Riello burners are the most "international". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 [quote]Michael, you can't just take a boiler and expect it to work on paraffin, it needs modification. Conversely, people insist on bringing their UK oil boilers here and expect them to just work! Most jus...[/quote] Opel I do not understand your last comment about boilers and paraffin,who brought that subject up,allso you implied Italian /German boilers were no good for the uk because of the fuel. my response was that its mandatary for low level discharge boilers to use 28 second kerosene oil in the uk.And its so easy to change the nozzel to burn heavier oils.[even the very very special french oil].I thought injectors were on moter diesel engines.Where on the burner is the injector,is it in the combustion head ,ie part of the nozzel or nozzel block!!. Which uk boiler burner needs a pump change and why to work in france?, oil is oil is it not, some just a little thicker perhaps. Long as the co2 reading values are correct away you go,Why would Vokera-Riello burners be the most International.thats a bit of a sweeping statement.Do you get a good trade discount on those models.Happy plumbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobc Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 "Never used PVC other than for drainware. I think you are referring to "Easytub"?Plastic pipe in the form of PER is gaining a strong following here. Albeit slowly. The tube (in 16 and 20mm) is quite cheap and also available pre-sleeved (pregainée), BUT the connectors are quite expensive, although you don't need too many because you can run long lengths of pipe with no joints. And the joints are fully demountable.It is easy to use, is clean, is safe and is recommended. It is vital that very long straight runs are avoided, since the expansion of PER (1%) is 10 times that of copper. Or arrange the run to allow for this.PER is generally connected by special compression joints (with integral pipe supports), whereas UK PEX is generally joined by push fittings with seperate insert pipe supports. It is also possible to use crimp connectors - you need to buy a crimping tool for these.It is also essential to use the correct cutter for the pipe - it cuts clean and square. Never hacksaw or use a bare knife."Good advice, as ever.I have used PER here for several years - a few thoughts:Avoid the products sold in the Bricos and in the Lapeyre catalogue - the only benefit is that you can remove the fittings from the end of the pipe, but the fittings are incredibly overpriced - as is the PER pipe in the Bricos.If you buy the pipe and fittings from a decent trade plumbing supplier (in 47 Wendel SA www.wendel.fr -for the rest of France find one on www.gapsa.fr) the prices are very reasonable. I use pipe from Watts Industrial which comes pre-gained in 12/16/20/25mm and in blue and red which is very useful on a large installation.You do need an investment in some tools - I use the brass Riquier 'raccords a glissement' - for this you need a pipe cutter, a tool to slightly expand the open end of the pipe to get the fitting on and a clamping tool to close up the fitting - around 200Euros - which would pay for itself very quickly in time saved.Regards,Bob Clarkehttp://perso.wanadoo.fr/grindoux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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