Hello, Bear in mind that my comments concern UK and not France. I would be interested to hear about the French situation, I think the UK situation is as I have described below. If I am wrong please feel free to correct me. Mostly I would like to know are these things motor cars or not in the UK and or in France? I would also love to hear from anyone who has one and has had an accident in one or seen an accident involving one. I am sure they must cause many accidents. Thank God birds tend not to drive them or there would be carrnage..[8-)] I have seen very small cars on the French roads, I am not sure what they are called but I guess most readers will know what I mean. I have been trying to get some information about these cars and have come across some very strange ideas about them. Maybe you people in here can help, you seem a clever bunch. These cars travel very slowly and are very small and often have an old person at the helm. This person, without exception, wears a hat, is in excess of 112 years of age and has a Gauloises hanging from the side of his mouth.. Sorry bowt the stereotyping but I figure if you have seen one you will know what I mean. I presume they also are very fuel efficient. Not the little old men... the cars. Does anyone have a technical spec or some information on these? Just the engine size, fuel type, weight etc, and are these 'cars' road legal in the UK? I hardly expect them to be allowed on motorways for example but maybe they are allowed on littlerer roads.. and stuff...like. Are they even classified as ‘motor vehicles’ or are they MPVs? I have listened on a 'bloke in the pub' saying that; " if one were to lose one's driving licence for the excessive imbibition of fermented fruit one may continue to drive in of these amusing little things"... (He was better spoken than what I am, an old soldier, spoke proper and all that). I am presuming he was talking out his ar+se... not to put too fine a point on it... Certainly his breath was so foul as he might as well have been. Could perhaps his confusion (and now my own) be derived from the fact that whilst one may be committing an offence by driving any motorised vehicle over the prescribed limit for alcohol (even when the vehicle in question does not require one to be licensed, such as an MPV) one may ONLY be banned from driving 'motor vehicles' requiring a driving licence. The reason? Well a ‘driving ban’ is not actually a ban. It is the temporary withdrawal of the right to drive a vehicle, a right wich is the first place was granted by the state, so it is definitely the witdrawal of a privilage... As one does not require a licence to drive an MPV wich is not a 'motor vehicle' (providing it is driven in accordance with the Law) one may not be banned from doing so. The question is of course: 'Is this "amusing" little car a motor vehicle, the driving of which requires a licence'? By the way, I am aware that one may be stopped from doing pretty much anything, including riding a bike but I am sticking to the drink driving rules.... if that are OK with the Pedants. Where was I..? So we say a person drunk in charge of an MPV which is not also a 'motor vehicle' on the public highway may well get a full driving ban in the UK. Is this also so in France? We also can say that to be caught drunk in charge of a normal motor vehicle on the highway in the UK will lead to a ban from driving all vehicles requiring a licence (motor vehicles) and not all MPVs. Is this so in France? If, as I have been told but seriously doubt, it is legal to drive this little car without a licence of any kind then certainly if anyone has lost their driving licence to drive a real car they may drive one of these things. I guess... Probably... They may not however drive one drunk in the belief that they will not lose their licence if caught. I think... I supppose I could have just asked: Are these vehicles ‘motorised vehicles’ as defined in the Road Traffic Act 1988. All Road vehicles are MPVs but some MPVs are not motor vehicles. Some, such as ride-on-mowers are specifically excluded as being so by Section 189 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. This act and section 140 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 also provide that electrically assisted pedal cycles (which of course are MPVs) of such class as may be prescribed by regulations are not to be treated as motor vehicles for the purposes of those Acts. In spite of these specific exclusions people have still been banned from driving due to having been drunk in charge of both Wheel chairs and ride-on-mowers (presumably not at the same time). Bear in mind, these things as specifically excluded as not being ‘motor vehicles’ by Section 189 RTA. For all other MPVs which are not defined as motor vehicles and not specifically excluded there seems little hope of escaping. MPV by the way stands for Motor Propelled Vehicle. Your comments woudl be welcome, I know you people know about this stuff and other stuff more cleverer than that un all. Armchairterrorist.