[Chlorine v Salt laws]

Andrew

Maybe the penny has dropped.

I make little or no additions of cyanuric acid to my water, and I know that the electrolyser does not produce it, and I have been content with this (as above).

But would you say that this lack would be the cause of occasional algal blooms which occur easily after windy/dusty weather or thunder storms?

If so, what is the best method of adding cyanuric acid, via chlor choc?

On another note, the problem I have with the pool is the lack of metrics which I can map against pool conditions and I will be following up the quotation you have given me for the analyser, I think it will help a lot.

So, apologies. [:)]   The only excuse I have is its raining again and my work is stopped as a result.

No more grumpy posts, honest.

[Chlorine v Salt laws]

Groan...I've got that déja vu feeling all over again...[:(]  Not the same.

An electrolyser cell is used to make hypochlorous acid, from the free chlorine ions delivered by the addition of salt.

The cell cannot produce cyanuric acid.

More detail extracted from an earlier post if it helps......but you can find this stuff on the WWW yourselves with little effort:

The electrolyser does in fact release HOCl (hypochlorous

acid) into the pool....but it does not add any stabiliser (cyanuric

acid) and it is this, that actually causes the smell and

possible irritations associated with 'chlorine pools'.  Cyanuric acid

is in the chlorine tablets commonly used, but not in the chlorochoc

tablets which have short life. The stablilsier is necessary to prevent

the HOCl disappearing too quickly due to the action of sunlight.

Cyanuric acid is used as a stabilizer in recreational water treatment to minimize the decomposition of hypochlorous acid by sunlight in outdoor swimming pools and hot tubs. It achieves this by absorbing UV radiation.

Chlorinated derivatives of cyanuric acid, such as trichloro-s-triazinetrione and sodium dichloro-s-triazinetrione, are used as algacides or microbiocides in swimming pool water and large scale water systems in industry.

 and:

What's the difference between a saltwater pool and a pool maintained with packaged

chlorine?

Salt

water pools used to be the exception, but now they are becoming a

widely accepted method of water treatment in swimming pools. A lot of

builders are now making salt water systems standard on their new

pools.  Most equipment manufacturers have also become aware of the fact

that salt water pools are not just a passing fad.  They are here to

stay.

Lower

Chlorine Levels -

Saltwater Pools - 0.5 to 1.0 ppm chlorine

Traditional Pools - 3.0 - 10.0 ppm chlorine

No

"Chemical Bath" Feel

NO packaged chlorine needed.

NO algaecides needed

NO soda ash or baking soda

Better

Swimmer Comfort

By eliminating the need for the harsh chemicals, you eliminate

the source of the irritation that plagues swimmers in most pools.

Controlled

Stabilizer Levels

If

you are using chlorine tablets, you are adding 1 lb. of stabilizer for

every 2 lbs. of tablets you put into your pool.   Your stabilizer level

rises to over 100 ppm and your chlorine becomes ineffective and yellow

algae and poor sanitization results. 

With a salt system, you add stabilizer as needed and are able to

keep the level low.  Your chlorine remains VERY effective and you need much less in the water to do the job (see above).

On commercial pools, state code requires you to drain pools when

the stabilizer level exceeds 100 ppm.  The salt system avoids this problem.

Superior

Algae Control

Saltwater pool systems virtually eliminate algae problems. 

This is because the chlorine in the pool is not inhibited by high stabilizer levels.

[Chauffage et Climatisation Inverter]

Runningdawg,

Just benn reading the loi on the rebates you are thinking about and I thought of your questions:

First of all you can be sure of everything in France: you just have to look at www.impots.gouv.fr to find all.

Secondo: you can get 50% of the cost of the PAC equipment you were/are considering/are installing, but there are caveats as below, in a nutshell it must heat all your living rooms, must meet certain perf. criteria, must be capable of heating the whole house, and above all, you or the installer must arrange for an inspection by independent Govmnt. accredited company after installation and before you make the claim.

coefficient de performance (COP) supérieur ou égal à

3 pour une température extérieure de + 7 °C selon la

norme d’essai 14511-2 et remplissant les critères

suivants :

- l’appareil est centralisé sur une unité extérieure ;

- son fonctionnement est garanti par le fabricant

jusqu’à une température de - 15 °C ;

- chacune des pièces de vie est équipée d'une part,

d'une unité terminale (multisplit) ou d'un diffuseur

(gainable), d'autre part, d'un organe de régulation ;

- la pompe à chaleur air/air avec ses compléments

intégrés éventuels assure le chauffage de l'habitation

dans son ensemble (les pièces de vies et leurs

circulations) ;

- sa puissance calorifique thermodynamique restituée

est au moins égale à 5 kW à une température

extérieure de + 7 °C ;

- l’installation finale a été contrôlée. par un organisme

d’inspection accrédité

(1) L’organisme d’inspection doit être accrédité selon la norme NF EN ISO/CEI 17020

This is a bit late but maybe still of help. Bon courage !

[rebates for installing windows and doors]

You can claim 40% of the cost of fênetres or portes-fênetres, provided they have a thermal conductivity better than 2 W/m2.K, and provided that the cost is itemised on the same invoice as the installation cost.

[My French Site - All Welcome To Use!]

Much better Rikki.

Why not use accents though, in the spelling of French words such as Pyrenées ?

have a think to about your target market:  is it Brits hiring from Brits and that's it?  not a very big market. Who do you think is your competition?

I'm not suggesting you invest in translations at this stage, but for example the pound sterling thing,  for houses where the owner charges in euros, is a bit of a puzzle for US, European, and Oz visitors to your site. 

cheers

[It takes two to Tempo?]

@ Saligo Bay...what am I talking about?

I'm talking about 'shed', as in 'shed' , see Concise Oxford Dictionary - 'shed = reduce (electrical power load) by disconnection'

You shed load yourself by not turning things on, or turning them off.

EDF sheds load on the days of peak demand by reducing load by means of contracts with consumers.

They do this because it becomes increasingly expensive  (and eventually impossible if they have no water behind the hydro dams) to deliver the power needed for peak days and transients.

Hope this helps. 

[My French Site - All Welcome To Use!]

Hi there,

Problem with the regions selection.

The places you name are not actually Regions of France (eg Dordogne), This leads you your Martel house for example appearing in Dordogne region when Dordogne is in fact a Dept. in a different region (Aquitaine) to that of Martel, which is in the Departement of Lot, in the region of Midi-Pyrenées.

So I suggest you address the structure of the site to get the framework right from the off. 

Best too to check spellings of the regions to make sure they are correct. In fact check the spellings everywhere.

Errors and uncertainty on the home page leads to lack of confidence on behalf of users.

Like the layout/colours etc.

PS: why do you price everything in pounds sterling? maybe OK for Brits, but exchange rates vary. Might put off US or Oz users?  why not price in Euros? what currency do the customers pay in?

Hope this helps a bit.  Keep at it. [:)]

[It takes two to Tempo?]

No, it's white today.

By the way, someone above mentioned Tempo and Red days as a means of making money by evil EDF. 

In fact Tempo is a tool EDF uses to shed domestic load on peak days, and is mostly influenced by the volumes of water they have in stock behind their barrages.

If you sign up to Tempo, you are agreeing that you too can shed load on red days and either postpone consumption or divert to other energy sources.

Cheers.

[LIVING ON LAND]

Jimboy,

Very often new plots with CU get purchased and the new family shows up with a caravan to live in, whilst the building is started/part finished.

No problems I don't think with your Mairie for you to do the same, it is not unusual.  Yurts maybe a different proposition mind you.

Do the plans for you future building, get approval, install fosse first. Budget 1000 euros per bedroom approx for the fosse.

Thereafter, build slowly if you want but make sure you don't lose the CU which can multilply the value of you land by 30 times.

Make sure you are legal in France first though - see other threads about this.  You will need income/job/health insurance (comprehensive).

It doesn't matter whether or not you are happy to pay taxes, you will have to pay anyway. And register ? not sure for what for ??

cheers

[Computer Translation - Still Some Way To Go]

I have posted this before, but it remains true. The poor chap with the website is probably proud of it even if he can't understand it.

The point being, don't rely on Babelfish for translations into French .  Enjoy!

Heavens above !!!  Don't even think about using

Babelfish if you are dreaming of sounding remotely credible....

I have just revisited the website of a local traiteur

who has used BFish to turn his nice French into Eeengleesh and I have cut and

pasted a couple of examples for your delectation and delight !

This is how you could come across with your Fameuse

Official Letter if you don't watch out!  

Check out the Dept of Dormouse and

Expensive not to mention plus the Dept of Expensive.

 

So to commence:

Un dîner en tête à tête ou entre amis, un repas

d'affaire ou de famille, les occasions de se retrouver autour de la table sont

des moments délicieux à partager mais souvent délicats à organiser. C'est

pourquoi, je vous propose mes services.

A vous le plaisir de recevoir, à moi de vous

rendre cet événement inoubliable.

Offrez-vous les services d'un chef de cuisine à

domicile.

Turns into:

A dinner at the head with head or between friends, a

meal of business or family, the occasions to find itself around the table is

delicious to divide but often delicate moments to organize. This is why, I

propose my services to you.

With you pleasure of receiving, me to return

this unforgettable event to you.

You offer the services of a chef to

residence.

And this,

Dîners ou Déjeuners

entre amis, en famille ou d'affaires...

Menu à 3 plats au choix à

45 euros  

Salade  de gambas aux

agrumes

Fricassée d’escargots à la crème d’ail

Guacamol épicé et grecini

de parmesan

                                        

Suprême de volaille à la crème d’ail

Roulet de filet mignon

de porc aux parfums  Provençaux 

Parmentière de canard

Chaud froid de fruit de

saison

Moelleux au chocolat 

Tarte tatin aux épices

Turns into :

between friends, in family or

businesses...

Finely with 3 dishes with the choice with 45

euros

Salad of gamba to citrus fruits

Fricassee D’snails

with the cream D’garlic

Spiced Guacamol and Parmesan grecini

Supreme of poultry to the cream D’garlic

Roulet of

filet mignon of pig to the perfumes Provençaux

Duck Parmentière

Cold fruit heat of season

Marrowy with the chocolate

Tart tatin with spices

And finally, and most triumphantly, 

this........

Votre nouveau

chef de cuisine à domicile dans votre région, le Lot.

Mon parcours professionnel

commence  il y a 14 ans par quatre années d’apprentissage en cuisine et

patisserie.

Je commence à faire mes armes dans la

région, à Rocamadour, puis à Padirac, deux sites magnifiques.

Des le début de ma  carrière, j ai eu le

désir de voyager et d'apprendre au contact de grand chef.

Tout d’abord en région parisienne et en

Relais et Châteaux

Par la suite en Aveyron, la corréze, les

Alpes ( Courchevel ) et le Loir et Cher.

Puis a la demande d’un de mes anciens chef

de cuisine, je suis parti pour la Suisse, à Lausane pour deux

ans.

 A mon retour, je suis recruté par le

Châteaux de Roumegouse ( relais et chateaux ) au poste de chef de cuisine.

Aujourd'hui, je prends plaisir de vous faire partager mon

expérience en vous proposant mes services de chef de cuisine à

domicile.

Turns into.....

Your new chef in residence in your area, the Batch.

My professional course begins it there A 14 years per

four years D’training in kitchen and pastry making.

I start to make my weapons in the area, in

Rocamadour, then with Padirac, two sites splendid.

Dice the beginning of my career, I test the desire to

travel and the need to learn in contact with big bosses.

Any access in Paris area and Relay and Castles

Thereafter in Aveyron, Corréze, the Alps (Courchevel)

and the Dormouse and Expensive.

Then the request of my former chef has, I left for

Switzerland, in Lausane for two years.

On my return, I am recruited by the Castles of

Roumegouse (Relay and Castles) at the post of chef.

Today, I take pleasure of making you share my

experiment by proposing to you my services of chef in

residence.

[long term incapacity benefit]

Will they pay expenses to attend?

Well, of course they will Tony, but only to the interviewers.......one interview per week, times return travel (Business Class claimable naturally) to Dordogne, overnight stay, lunch, dinner.

It will be  hell of course, but someone will have to do it ....

[Acidic water supply?]

Excellent, some real facts at last !

So the problem is not acidic water at all, rather the inverse.

Nonetheless, bads news for OP's copper piping.

[swimming pool security]

We have a pool with salt in the water and electrolyser etc (but please don't lets start the 'bet it doesn't work' arguement again though! [:)] )

We have an electric driven roller shutter cover, which is great for security, for keeping the heat in summer, and for overwintering.

The cover does not affect water quality in any way at all, it's just the same as wintering with a bache cover.

Our pool is still covered since approx November, and probably at the end of this month we will open it up, take out the anti-ice floats and start the water turning through the filter for several days to clean it up. Maybe swim in April? it was possible last year for bravehearts

Incidently, only problem with the cover in winter is that all the leaves blow over it, get stuck at one side and sink.....we cure this with a plastic mesh net (sold for putting under plum trees) which goes right over the whole thing, does not blow away, due to its open mesh, and keeps the cover and water free of leaves.

So I think Poolguy is correct....the advice is suspect.

PS  Think about a submerged cover if poss,  ours isn't, it looks fine but would have been neater in the water.

PPS  How much is your pisciniste contemplating to charge you for installation? Our local expert charged some friends a price for installation which is too embarrassing for anyone to admit, I think about 7k !!   However, it is very easy to install, two people (one in the water) for two hours to do ours. You can do it yourself, but watch out for the Prix Anglais !

[Chauf eau]

You have almost certainly already got a thermostat to control the heater element.

Completely isolate the electrical supply to the CE sanitaire at the breaker and/or disconnect the plug.

Take off the cover off the heater, it is underneath on a vertical CES, find the thermostat : often a red plastic cube.

The thermostat control is a a 'dial' and you need a screwdriver to rotate it up or down.

Bon courage

[shiplap timber]

It is bardage.

Sold by by the plank (2.5m I think) at any Point P ; it is sapin treated to the heart. Not cheap but excellent and durable.

[sun pipes]

chez Lapeyre

500 euros each approx

[Changes to medical reimbursements on 1 January 08]

Exactement Ron !!

But please Logan, don't expect others to pay your costs......

[Changes to medical reimbursements on 1 January 08]

Mistake.

[Changes to medical reimbursements on 1 January 08]

Logan,

When you leave hospital (after life threatening event or not) you get a 'ticket', ie a bill, which you have to pay.

It represents the amount outstanding after deducting the proportion of the cost covered by CMU in your case, typically this is a bill for 20% of the cost of  the hospital treatment.

A person with no Mutuelle or money could  present this unpaid bill as a problem  to their CMU Caisse as a basis for their need for CMU complementaire.

But a person with sufficient resources, who has apparently declined to insure against this possibility (even a probability) should expect, I suggest, short shrift.

I'll leave you to it now, but you can see the situation for yourself at

 http://www.hopital.fr/hopital/vos_demarches/l_hospitalisation/les_frais_d_hospitalisation_et_remboursement

Bon courage, and don't get sick.

[Changes to medical reimbursements on 1 January 08]

Logan,

Are you saying that you have the financial resources to self insure yourself, and presumably conjoint, for 30% of the cost of the worst scenario?

Imagine for example, a very serious road accident. I leave you to estimate the cost of this, hospital, ambulance, post accident treatment, home visits.....

If you are sure you have the liquid funds to cover 30% of the total  then fine, you can choose to self-insure.

If you do not, then who exactly do you imagine is going to pay your costs?

[Why can we not have an immersion heater?]

I wish....

[Risks of Living]

Splinters, don't make me larf !

You have no idea of the risks wot we all unknowingly take with our lives every day....never mind the best efforts of BA.

A year or two ago I visited my ole Dad in Warwickshire, to help him install himself in his new flat.

We went out to B+Q (taking a chance in itself) and bought some self assembly pine shelves to install in his cupboard.

Well, you can imagine my horreur, when, half way through trying to put them together, I fell upon a Warning Notice which said (and this is true!):

" Danger Wood Products may contain Splinters"

Well, you can imagine my shock...and I had no idea I wos unwittingly taking such risks. We counted ourselves lucky when we had screwed the contraption together without wounding, neither of us needed the ambulance and naturally we didn't bother with the no win no fee lawyers neither.

I say, where is Ron Avery anyway.......?

[leccies in lot]

So what's wrong with the French ones ?

Where  in Lot ?

[Why can we not have an immersion heater?]

Hi Gluestick,

I too am well aware of HVAC systems powered by heat.

However, my reference to the here and now comes from the fact that I am

going to design, buy and install in the next few months (ie this year)

and so I am interested in Andrew's solar tubes as a possible additional source of energy for autumn and spring months. 

Your inference that I am renewing an existing system on cost grounds is ill-founded. I am extending an existing system and in fact diversity of

supply is my prime goal, not cost of operation.  The heat sources will be gas, electricity and wood. Solar is, as you know, under consideration.

Regarding changing my existing aircon gear...no RoI in that proposition I'm afraid..I have a total of 5 Daikin external air-handlers already installed in various buildings so there is no question of replacing working first class equipment.  Now, they are excellent at heating rooms, using solar source (aka warm air) in spring & autumn, and I could well decide to invest in one more instead of, or in addition to any solar radiation collectors. No heat dumping required!  I think I have just answered my own questions aimed at Andrew !

Hope this gives you a better idea of what I am looking to do.[:)]

[Why can we not have an immersion heater?]

But back in the real world...the here and now...

what about overheat...where does 120Kw actually go chez vous when it is 38C outside...

If I could just figure that out then solar for CH is a goer...sinon..

PS we already have climatisation.