Fistly - hello!! We are old members but new users of the forum. Secondly.......HELP!!!! Sorry about the length of the next question, please stick with it We are converting our loft into two bedrooms and two bathrooms. We will not be changing the external appearance of the house i.e. no windows, velux etc. We understand we need a Permis de Construire for this ( section 4.2 - amenagement pour l'habitation d'une partie de la maison ou de ses annexes ( grenier ) ). We visited the Maire and he said we didn't need any paperwork as we weren't changing the exterior, however after reading some horrow stories about works needing permission and not getting it, we have decided to go for the permissions and risk upsetting the Maire. What I cannot understand from the application is which supporting documents I need to send. With my computer translation programme ( !! ) I think the reverse of the form asks for: 1. Situation plan at 1/25000th 2. 3 dimensional plan showing the situation in relation to other buildings, water supply, electricity and sewage 3. Plans of outside with drawings of closures (?? ) 4. Cross sectional drawings 5. 2 photos at least, showing on the situational plan where they were taken from ( external ) 6. A graphic showing what the building will be like when built ( obviously not neccessary? ) 7. A description of how the work will impact on surroundings, visual aspect of the area etc I can't see why we would need to send all of the above for internal work only? Has anyone done just internal work, keeping below the 170m limit and had a Permis de Construire passed ok? If so, what did you send. Finally, as a second option, I have read quite a lot of people who have carried out the work without permission and tols the tax office of the increased living space afterwards. Has anyone out there done this? Who exactly do you tell and how? Did it cause any problems or questions regarding Planning permission. Looking forward to your responses, Shelagh