Pierre ZFP Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Paratroop murders at Montauban baffle France.What's going on???http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17397354 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 A few items of co-incidence:-French Forces are serving as part of NATO in a foreign sandy type place.People of said sandy type place believe in a certain religion that supports murdering those who are not believers.Supporters of people in the said sandy type place have moved to Europe.Just co-incidence of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 [quote user="powerdesal"]A few items of co-incidence:- French Forces are serving as part of NATO in a foreign sandy type place. People of said sandy type place believe in a certain religion that supports murdering those who are not believers. Supporters of people in the said sandy type place have moved to Europe. Just co-incidence of course.[/quote]Coincidentally is that the "sandy place" where urination on dead bodies, burning korans and murdering 16 civilian villagers is popular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breizh Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 The Toulouse victim was Maghrebi. The 2 dead in Montauban were Maghrebi. The wounded one, shot in the spine, is black.Maybe some white supremacist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 [quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="powerdesal"]A few items of co-incidence:- French Forces are serving as part of NATO in a foreign sandy type place. People of said sandy type place believe in a certain religion that supports murdering those who are not believers. Supporters of people in the said sandy type place have moved to Europe. Just co-incidence of course.[/quote]Coincidentally is that the "sandy place" where urination on dead bodies, burning korans and murdering 16 civilian villagers is popular?[/quote]Yes, that's the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 They seem to be saying that the same weapon was used in Montauban and Toulouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 ''Coincidentally is that the "sandy place" where urination on dead bodies, burning korans and murdering 16 civilian villagers is popular?''I think the description of ''popular'' is somewhat inappropriate. Yes, it has happened but popular implies it happens regularly or often, I don't believe this is the case. Certain elements of certain forces do tend to have a 'less than sensitive' approach to their mission but given the numbers involved I think it is a very small number, it is also jumped on from a great height when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes Pickles I heard that on the news last nightIn Figaro:http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2012/03/16/01016-20120316ARTFIG00473-militairesassassines-la-piste-du-loup-solitaire.phpFor some reason the security services are preferring to say that it might be a single person with a grudge, but they admit it isn't clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It's seriously unpleasant but what I find a little odd is that it seems fairly unremarked. Even though it is our Prefecture town it is not the talk of the village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 It's a murky business.The article says that the gun was a type often used by organised crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 [quote user="NormanH"]It's a murky business.The article says that the gun was a type often used by organised crime.[/quote]The calibre quoted (11.43) is more normally referred to as .45 ACP, its difficult to find a handgun of that calibre with a magazine holding more than 16 rounds. 17 empty cases were reported as found, indicating a reload. the .45 handgun is probably the most common gun available being in production for many many years, therefore it would, almost by definition, be the one most used by criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 The other night on french news the reporter said that the gendarmes were taking this seriously. And then she repeated this statement as a sort of closing argument.Really, it is being taken seriously? That is news? That needed to be said? Basically, there is a terrorist group or serial killer killing soldiers and that automatically without the necessity of saying, not only has to be taken seriously, but have the very best people in the country onto it. Is it being taken seriously? doesn't feel like it to me. And maybe there are the very best people onto it, if this is so, being so discrete about it, seems very 'unfrench' to me. And surely soldiers and their families and those of the deceased would like to know that that is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes, that is a bit how I feel idun. 3 people have been killed, just down the road, and no one is making anything of it. How could you take such a crime anything but seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I can only imagine that there is some sort of (very) secret service investigation going on, given that the regiments have been involved in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I do hope that you are right NH, I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 [quote user="powerdesal"][quote user="NormanH"]It's a murky business.The article says that the gun was a type often used by organised crime.[/quote] The calibre quoted (11.43) is more normally referred to as .45 ACP, its difficult to find a handgun of that calibre with a magazine holding more than 16 rounds. 17 empty cases were reported as found, indicating a reload. the .45 handgun is probably the most common gun available being in production for many many years, therefore it would, almost by definition, be the one most used by criminals.[/quote]With a magazine capacity in excess of 16 rounds, and the calibre, it sounds more likely to be something along the lines of an UZI. Which I'm reliably informed, are very popular on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 UZi is 9mm calibre.edit, if .45 ACP. UZI mag capacity is 16 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 There were so many witnesses at the Montauban shooting, surely someone must have got the number of the scooter/motorbike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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