Tony F Dordogne Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote user="Judith"] Church in Soho Sq (NW corner) is definitely French protestant (but whether Hugenot I don't know). [/quote]Huguenot is a generic name applied to those French Calvinists/Protestantes that left France for various points of the compass between 1544 and the French Revolution - there never were Huguenot Churches per se, they were Protestante Churches used by those French Protestantes who followed Calvin and who, in England, remained Calvinist or slowly made their way into the Conformist and Non-Conformist congregations. Realistically, the word Huguenot is used as a generic description, in the USA as a social cache but for the rest of us, it's much more a sense of worth and recognirion of 'other'.And regardless of what some people have said, unlike Protestant/Protestante, the origins of the word Huguenot still isn't known and there are many conflicting theories as to its origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Tony, Thanks for the info. It is something I didn't know, though I do have a reasonable knowledge of French history (for an Englishwoman!!), but I hadn't realised that Huguenot was simply a generic name. I have a memory that they also settled in the Spitalfields area and became silk weavers, as well as the Soho area. Some of the houses their have recently been "gentrified" as it now acceptable again to live close to the centre of town, and it is very close to the financial district of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 How convincing is the etymology proposed by Emile Littré? http://littre.reverso.net/dictionnaire-francais/definition/huguenot,_ote/38314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Small point based on the Morin communication to Littré regarding the "ungnote". The google scan of the work for me looks more like "unguote" and that supposition seems to be supported lower in the Stanza?http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneenzur00docegoog#page/n49/mode/1up/search/ungnote http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneenzur00docegoog#page/n49/mode/1up/search/unguote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted April 4, 2010 Author Share Posted April 4, 2010 The most unsavoury part of Huguenot history is their part in South African history and apartheid. Eugène Terreblanche was the leader of the Afrikanner movement in SA- who swore to do all he could to restore apartheid. He was assassinated today by 2 of his young workers on salary issues- let's hope it will not lead to a resurgence of hatred in SA. I visited the Huguenot Museum there and found it quite unsettling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Unfortunately, Swissie, his followers have already sworn revenge.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpprh Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Will : "I suppose that explains my mistrust of Roman Catholics"Perhaps this really is all just a storm in a teacup ? Certainly Pope Benedict XVI is not in the same league as some of his predecessors. In fact he doesn't seem to have got round to the murders, adultery and genocide so popular with : ST. DAMASUS (366-84) SIXTUS III (432-40) ST. LEO THE GREAT (440-61) SYMMACHUS (498-514) ST. HORMISDAS (514-23) BONIFACE II (530-32) SILVERIUS (536-3 VIGILUS (537-55) PELAGIUS (555-60) ST. GREGORY THE GREAT (590-604) SABINIAN (604-6) BONIFACE III (607) THEODORUS (642-49) ST. SERGIUS I (687-701) CONSTANTINE (708-15) ST. GREGORY II (715-31) STEPHEN III (768-72) ADRIAN I (772-95) ST. PASCAL I (817-24) EUGENIUS II (824-27) NICHOLAS (858-67) ADRIAN II (867-72) JOHN VIII (872-82) FORMOSUS (891-96) BONIFACE VI (896) STEPHEN VI. (896-7) JOHN XI (931-36) JOHN XII (956-64) BONIFACE VII (974) GREGORY V (996-99) SERGIUS IV (1009-12) BENEDICT VIII (1012-24) JOHN XIX (1024-33) BENEDICT IX (1033-46) PASCAL II (1099-1118) ADRIAN IV (1154-59) ALEXANDER III (1159-81) CLEMENT III (1188-1191) INNOCENT III (1198-1216) GREGORY IX (1227-41) INNOCENT IV (1243-54) BONIFACE VIII (1294-1303) CLEMENT V (1305-1314) JOHN XXII (1316-34) URBAN VI (1378-89) MARTIN V (1417-31) EUGENIUS IV (1431-47) PAUL II (1464-71) SIXTUS IV (1471-84) INNOCENT VIII (1484-92) ALEXANDER VI (1492-1503) JULIUS II (1503-13) PIUS X11 (1939-1958) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Maybe not yet but give him time.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 [quote user="sweet 17"][quote user="Will"]I suppose that explains my mistrust of Roman Catholics, which is probably not far-off equal to Gluestick's dislike of Eastern Europeans, Chinese, Muslims etc.[;-)][/quote]Oy, can't you just lay off us Catholics? Haven't we got enough trouble with paedophile priests and a Pope with a shady background without people on the Forum heaping more grief on our heads? [/quote]Having Breton ancestors ,( dad's side ), I wonder if I may not have ancestors from the other side of the channel...My family name is typically Breton, though it was " Frenchised" at the revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 I'm feeling left out now. I don't knowingly have any Huguenot ancestors although it is possible given that my mother's side of the family were French and (I think) came to England around the time of the French revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 You re not alone Pierre ZFP, I don't know of any Huguenots ancestors either !Both mum and dad from Catholic families.My dad was from a large Breton family, 10 kids ( !) , and my grand dad could not stand someone swearing , he would take off his felt hat and make the sign of the cross !!!My grand mother, I remember, always used a knife to trace a cross on the bread before anyone could cut a slice.When I was a kid, I spent all my summers in Britanny, at my grand parents 'farm, and there was no way I could not go to mass !With gran, we walked 5 k to go to church, wearing our sunday's best! But I did something that is forbidden, I took the " ostie" before I had done my " communion".What are the words in English for that ?Ooops, sorry for being off topic..No huguenots for me either , you see, Pierre . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissie Posted April 8, 2010 Author Share Posted April 8, 2010 Holy Communion or Eucharist, and the 'ostie' is called 'bread', I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Bread ? [blink] Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Oui, ça ne pas mange pain............or something that sounds like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Wafer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 [quote user="sweet 17"]Oui, ça ne pas mange pain............or something that sounds like that![/quote]" Ca ne mange pas de pain " .. tu n étais pas loin! [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 [quote user="pachapapa"]Wafer.[/quote]Merci ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 OT but interesting.“Descartes died not through natural causes but from an arsenic-laced communion wafer given to him by a Catholic priest”: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Il y a des brebis galeuses partout............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 Informative link discussing the doubts as to death of Rèné Descartes. http://www.booksmag.fr/opinions/b/theodor-ebert-rene-descartes-a-ete-assassine.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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