Beryl Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Are people who only recently arrived in France required to complete a French tax form in 2006? Or is anyone who is permanently resident required to fill in the form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 You should fill in a tax form for your income in 2005 from the date you arrive in France in 2005.Some tax officials have been known to say that this is not necessary if one moves late in the year, but in fact, you should really and I reckon that is usually in the persons interest to do so too as we are often asked for proof of residence etc and the tax form for all sorts of things. The forms come out in March time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesenfrance Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Are they sent out automatically or do we have to advise the tax office we are here? Its our first year and I'm a bit confused about what we need to do.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 [quote user="Teamedup"]You should fill in a tax form for your income in 2005 from the date you arrive in France in 2005.Some tax officials have been known to say that this is not necessaryif one moves late in the year, but in fact, you should really and Ireckon that is usually in the persons interest to do so too as we areoften asked for proof of residence etc and the tax form for all sortsof things. The forms come out in March time.[/quote]Sorry TU I'm confused by you first line... the tax form available in Mar 2006 is for the tax year j/d 2005 - right ?p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesLauriers Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 All residents fill in a tax form each year, this year it could be May before they are available for declaring your worldwide income from 2005. You need to ask for the first one, it is required even if you arrive on 30th December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The tax forms never come out on a specific date, ask at your Mairie at the beginning of March or call in at your local tax office to get a form they are out around then. It is up to us to get hold of the first form ourselves. You could ofcourse declare on line, but I have never succeeded yet. And yes, you do the declaration for the whole of 2005, or from the date you arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimportequoi Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I understand the centre d'impots are going nationwide with the trial they did on pre-filled in tax forms last year (one of which was in dept 35 where I am) and the form didn't come through to me until the beginning of May, I'm sure it will be the same thing this year for 2005 tax forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 What is a prefilled in tax form?Ours have our names on, address and dates of birth etc, but they come out by post in early spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimportequoi Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Your employment earning details are also filled in (that is if you are a salarié). If you are a non salarié, I'm not sure if you can get hold of them earlier to fill them in. I only had about a week from receiving the form last year to the deadline of getting it back to the centre d'impôts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Wow I have never heard of that before. I will be keeping my eye on it being right if they send us one of those then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Having just had a meeting with our accountant, I can confirm that what SusanAH says is correct. Personal tax forms will be issued with things like salary, bank interest and other things known to the tax office already filled in. This was trialled last year in a couple of regions (including 35 where our accountant is based) and is being done nationwide for personal tax returns relating to the 2005 tax year. The forms are not expected to be issued until April at the earliest, more likely May.It is a legal requirement, as well as making your own life considerably easier (and possibly cheaper), for those resident in France to make a tax return so do notify your mairie or hôtel de impôts. 'Resident' covers a lot of things, like having your main home in France, your family or dependents being in France, or your main economic activity being based in France, not only the basic British 183-day rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 As I posted on here last year, we in the 35 were certainly the guinea pigs and our tax forms were sent out in May. For the self employed, little or nothing had actually changed. We stillhad to fill in our "boxes" so to speak but someone said then, that itreally was for those on salary's. We also had to fill in the bankinterest as well Bill but I guess it was early days and as this systemprogresses, so I suspect more can be pre-filled in for folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyn_Paul Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 [quote user="Teamedup"]The tax forms never come out on a specificdate, ask at your Mairie at the beginning of March or call in at yourlocal tax office to get a form they are out around then. It is up to usto get hold of the first form ourselves. You could ofcourse declare online, but I have never succeeded yet. And yes, you do the declaration for the whole of 2005, or from the date you arrived.[/quote]I've looked at the on-line filing and - as far as I can tell - you cando it from year 2 onwards. - certainly you can't do it without having afiscal number which rather predicates a visit to the Hotel des impots,doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Well whenever one can start declaring on line, as I said, I have never managed and always been timed out. Lots of people who work with my husband also had the same problem and so none of us got the little bonus for declaring on line, tant pis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikejac Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 My wife and I arrive at the beginning of May to take up residency in France. I understood from a bank employee in France that we would not need to complete a tax form until 2007 (for 2006), that being our first year in the Country. Is this info incorrect and are we expected to fill in a form for 2005? If so, this is presumably only a formality, as we paid UK tax in 2005mikejac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 No that isn't right. You should get a tax form in a few weeks time and fill it in from May 2005 until 31Dec2005. You should also declare how much tax you paid in the UK.Bank clerks in France don't always know how banking stuff works I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesLauriers Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Read the posts!If you arrive at any time (ie set foot on French soil) before 31st December you MUST complete a tax return.France is not a 3rd world country, they have tax laws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soleil Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think there is some degree of misreading here. Surely if someone does not arrive in France until May 2006 then they do not need to complete a tax return in france until 2007. Even then it would only be from the date of arrival in France in 2006 until 31/12/2006.In my opinion and experience then the bank clerk is correct.Sol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 [quote user="Mikejac"]My wife and I arrive at the beginning of May to take up residency in France. I understood from a bank employee in France that we would not need to complete a tax form until 2007 (for 2006), that being our first year in the Country. Is this info incorrect and are we expected to fill in a form for 2005? If so, this is presumably only a formality, as we paid UK tax in 2005mikejac[/quote]If you are going to take up French residency in May 2006, then I believe your info is correct, you will need to fill out the French Tax forms around March 2007 for worldwide income in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesLauriers Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 [quote user="Soleil"]I think there is some degree of misreading here. Surely if someone does not arrive in France until May 2006 then they do not need to complete a tax return in france until 2007. Even then it would only be from the date of arrival in France in 2006 until 31/12/2006.In my opinion and experience then the bank clerk is correct.Sol[/quote]You are right, the confusion is over one person arriving in 2005 and another arriving in 2006. Your statement is correct apart from the fact that it is from the day after arrival until the 31st of that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamedup Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 sorry mikejac, when did you or do you get here. If 2005 then you declare soonish. If May 2006 then you declare next year. Always from the date you get here until Dec 31st of that year and the declaration goes in in springtime of the following year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikejac Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 As my original post implied (but perhaps didn't make clear) we don'tmove until May 2006, so I gather now that I don't, after all, need tofill out any tax forms until 2007. I raised my question because of the statement made by Teamedup.[quote user="Teamedup"]You should fill in a tax form for your income in 2005 from the date you arrive in France in 2005.Some tax officials have been known to say that this is not necessary if one moves late in the year, but in fact, you should really and I reckon that is usually in the persons interest to do so too as we are often asked for proof of residence etc and the tax form for all sorts of things. The forms come out in March time.[/quote]I also gather from other threads that it is necessary (or perhaps desirable) to complete tax forms in order to join the French health service. Does anyone know if this is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Thank you for your help.I emailed my local impots to request all the forms and I was informed that I needed to email again at the beginning of May when the forms will be sent out. So I think I was panicking a bit prematurely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Monier Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hello FolksI must admit I am still confused. When we arrived permanently in August 05, having had the house for 12 years. We notified the Maire that our move was définitif, we sorted out driving licences etc but were told we did not need to worry about tax until the following year when we would be automatically sent a form. To make doubly sure we toddled off to the Hotel des Impôts who told us the same thing. If, as I understand it from this topic, we do need to complete a tax form now- where can we get one and how? Personally, I don`t want to wait, it complicates things in the UK, I would rather sort it out now.Glynis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 The forms on which you make your declaration for calendar year 2005 will not be ready until May - late April at the earliest according to the accountant we use. As the tax office presumably has your details, you will most likely be sent one automatically, otherwise you will have to ask for one at the time. The system is changing this year - forms will be sent out with some details, such as salaries, already filled in. As you are new, probably all that will be filled in for you will be your names, address and reference number. It seems daft to have to wait that long, but that's the system. Even though you would rather do things in advance, the system doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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