NormanH Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 THIS IS NOT A BREXIT POSTSince the following have not changed with BrexitBritish residents who have not taken French nationality cannot vote inRégional electionsDépartmental electionsPresidential élections Since Brexit they can no longer voteFor European elections Local elections for the Maire etcI was reminded of this when I went to vote this morning for the first two on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Shît I can't vote for Macron next year. BÜgger. Norman....a lot of French people don't vote. In fact a majority won't vote in the regional elections. I doubt very much if anyone will turn out for the presidential elections.So the point of your post is...you can vote. Well done. Salut and sing the Marseillaise and go and play patanque. I hope you have a proper curly French moustache BTW. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 My own opinion which, undoubtably will be unpopular, is why should a foreigner be allowed to vote in another countries elections? I know the argument about paying taxes, contributing to the economy etc but for me that isn't reason enough. Of course I should pay taxes etc after all I use the facilities and services. but to determine in some way the political future of a country; I think is wrong.Often a foreigner will think entirely differently to the indigenous population on a whole raft of subjects which is quite natural given their differing upbringings. When I was able to vote here I did so but always felt a little guilty! Now, of course I can't and am content with that as it goes with my views. If I don't want to accept it, well we all know what I could do and that option is open to everyone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 These are the things that the region and the department (today's elections) are responsible for: quite a few of them are services used by many of us. [url=https://postimages.org/][img]https://i.postimg.cc/Zn7zyHjN/infog-elections-0.jpg[/img][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 [quote user="alittlebitfrench"] ................. I hope you have a proper curly French moustache BTW. LOL.[/quote]He does, but it's more in the style of Hercule [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherbanana Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 And he has the beret, often to be seen wandering the streets with strings of onions round his neck. At night however he wears garlic strings and does exorcisms.Oh, and he lives in a barrel from which he earns a comfy living begging. As he has a large, very hairy dog with massive teeth which is always scratching he is known as Monsieur Diogefleas in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 [url=https://postimg.cc/V5MFHd8D][img]https://i.postimg.cc/J7Yd0kdV/image.png[/img][/url]Just making the point that these are the sort of things that this election is about, although apparently over 65% may well not have bothered to vote.[:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I hope they are grateful that you turned out to vote, Norman[:)] It's appalling that the turn-out could be as low as 30 something %[:(]But why is the interest so very low? Anyone has any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 The British turning out to vote for the French in France in the post Brexit EU..You could no make it up could you. LOLThe world has gone maaaad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 No, ALBF, it's you who has gone mad, lost your marbles, are deliberately obtuse, whatever....The British can't vote in France. Those people voting in France are French by birth or by acquired citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith-aka-Judith Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 it ws pouring down here all morning, with thunder and lightning . .. that'll have reduced turnout, round here they don't go out in bad weather! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessfou2 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Here it really chucked it down late afternoon, but our commune managed (both départementale & régionale) 50% turnout (including both French nationals in our household). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherbanana Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 The villagers here that I spoke to are very cheesed off and feel that not voting is a way of making a protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 That is certainly a factor alongside the weather, the fact that many people find the région a distant body and the various responsibilities in the graphics I posted are hard to grasp.Add to that the low-key campaign and the chaos in some placesdidn't help.The danger is of course that the results can be skewed by the extremists who do manage to get their fanatical supporters out, though there is a slight counter-balance to that in that even if a candidate gets over 50% in the first round they aren't automatically elected unless they have at least 25% of the electorate (I am writing from memory so those figures are open to correction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Mint Said "The British can't vote in France. Those people voting in France are French by birth or by acquired citizenship" Ummm...hang on ....if you are British by birth but have got French citizenship.......you are still British. LOL.A piece of paper don't change that.If I got French citerzenship and voted....I am still British. So I am a British person voting in France.What am I missing here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If I got French citerzenship and voted....I am still British. So I am a British person voting in France.What you are 'missing' is that if you acquire French citizenship you become a French national i.e. French. You are no longer 'British'. In the legal sense. Having acquired French citizenship just try and return to Britain and vote there!!I know what you are getting at regarding still being 'British'. Nothing can change the fact you were born British but legally you would no longer be British! A piece of paper does change that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegie Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Both countries allow dual nationality and, in the legal sense you refer to, you are both British and French, if you acquire French citizenship.You do not surrender your British citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 ALBF---If I got French citerzenship and voted....I am still British. So I am a British person voting in France.It would appear you are absolutely correct! Providing you have maintained your U.K. citizenship and obtained French citizenship Then it seems that you would be a Brit voting in French elections!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Of course I am correct sir.Now, I bet proportionally that more Brits voted in the French election than the French.(You know how Brits with French citerzenship think they are cut above the rest of us plebs) So of course they would vote even if they don't know WTF they are voting for. Which brings us back to the point I made earlier. Brexit Brits voting in the french election.You canne make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 I have dual nationalityWhile I am on French soil I am considered as 'French'un Français binational ou plurinational ne peut pas faire prévaloir sa ou ses autres nationalités lorsqu'il réside en France.https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F334So I voted in a French election as a French national on the issues I have posted images of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 [quote user="NormanH"]I have dual nationalityWhile I am on French soil I am considered as 'French'un Français binational ou plurinational ne peut pas faire prévaloir sa ou ses autres nationalités lorsqu'il réside en France.https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F334So I voted in a French election as a French national on the issues I have posted images of.[/quote]That seems too complicated for some to grasp [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessfou2 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Something for the Grand rral perhaps...En voie générale et technologique, vous passez un Grand oral à la fin de votre année de terminale. Cette épreuve évalue des compétences essentielles, en particulier la maîtrise d’une parole personnelle, structurée et argumentée, la capacité à déployer avec clarté et conviction une réflexion, à dialoguer et à débattre, ... https://www.education.gouv.fr/baccalaureat-comment-se-passe-le-grand-oral-100028& Jean-Michel Blanquer: S'exprimer à l'oral, c'est quelque chose que vous avez à faire en permanence dans la vie" a précisé Jean-Michel Blanquer sur France 2 ce 14 juin.Do you think that someone will come along and argue the toss 'cos à l'oral is not the same as à l'écrit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Norman.....Is Jean-Jacques Goldman British or French living in London ?I bet a million pounds he does not pretend to be British.Was Johony Hallday Belgium, French or American when living (most of his time) in America. If you have lived in France legally for 5 years (lets say) you should be entitled to vote. It is nothing to do about pretending you are this that or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 https://www.humanite.fr/editorial-greve-civique-711600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardian Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I’ll bet you wish you hadn’t started this one Norman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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