cooperlola Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I agree, Cat. In utter frustration, I have once again written to Mme Gaillard"Dear Mme Gaillard I wrote to you some weeks ago, on behalf of our group, on the subject of the new French residency rules and their effects upon the healthcare provision for non-French EU citizens living here. You were kind enough on that occasion, to provide us with some useful information. We have recently heard much speculative comment upon a new statement, which was due to be issued last Friday. Since then, the UK minister for Europe, Mr Jim Murphy, has assured us that this statement will be issued shortly. However, we have heard nothing from the French authority on this subject since. We have many UK citizens in this country who are becoming increasingly worried about their futures here, particularly those who have been unable to find private health cover, due to their existing illnesses. Many are beginning to ask us if they will be deported on 6th January, when their E106 cover expires, as they will be unable to comply with the new residency requirements. Time is obviously getting very short for them, and they are unable to sell their houses, or even arrange to move home, within the limited timescales which have been granted them. Are there any deportation processes in place to cope with them, and are you aware of whose responsibility they will become, once they are illegal aliens here? Will they be granted any kind of moratorium in which to comply or will deportation begin immediately? What is their situation under French law once they no longer comply with residency regulations? Are there penalties involved in such non-compliance, such as fines or imprisonment or will they simply be shipped back to the UK? What will happen to the property which they own here, if they are unable to sell it within the 5 weeks which is now left to them? We are unsure as to whether the social security department, or any other French authority or government department, has even considered the implications of the legislation upon people in such a position. Can you at least assure us that this is being considered and that the French and UK governments have made some provision for them in the short term, as regards their residency position? One should bear in mind that many of these people are suffering from chronic conditions or are undergoing life-saving treatment, and such stresses only serve to damage their already fragile health even further, at a time during which they are least able to cope." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Thanks Debs , way to go, tell them like it is.Will I get the chance to meet you and say thanks in the flesh on the deportee boat ? [Www] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Not to belittle your sterling efforts Coops for which I am as grateful as any despite the fact that the changes have relatively little effect on me but I wonder, if one is not a threat to law and order or national security, nor a drain on social resources, are there any grounds for deportation ?Sarkozy made it qiute clear didn't he - "If you want to retire at 53 fine, but do not expect us (France) to pay for it" so he doesn't care if you continue to live in France even if for some it is under a possible death sentence [:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Of course there are no grounds for deportation.However, it doesn't do any harm to chivvy them up with visions of the BBC World Service transmitting images of elderly infirmed Brits being herded off the cattle trucks at Calais docks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Ernie :Well he does because you will be breaking the law if you cannot prove that you have full private healthcare. That is the point - this is a residency regulation and anybody who cannot comply is - or shortly will be, by definition, an illegal immigrant. Although I am certain that this was never the intention of the legislation, that is how it has ended up, if you follow it through to its logical conclusion.S/D : This was certainly my intention - I am sure nobody has any intention of deporting us but it is difficult to see how one may be allowed to remain here if one does not comply isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Blimey, Coops, I have never heard you shout before. Just as well I'm on your side as I wouldn't like to be in Mme G's shoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The fights not over yet but,Thanks to everyone thats working so hard to help to sort this mess outA special thanks to Coops & Cat.You all really lift our spirits and make us proud to be British. ( Lucky enough, to live in France )Warmest regards Joshua[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 To ease the frustration while we wait for news, here's something to lighten the mood.A Christmas wish for Santa Santa Claus ya muppetwhere's me CMU?I've written lots of lettersbut I haven't heard from you.And I can't wait til Christmascoz it's getting late you know,and you can stuff yer flamin' turkeyand yer frippin' mistletoe!And while we're on the subjectwhere's me carte vitale?I returned it flamin' weeks agoso Santa, be a palgo find that madam Gaillardand sit her upon yer kneeand ask her what she's done with itcos she won't speak to me.And here's somefink else you need to knowyou bearded beered-up foolif I have to tell 'em one more timeabout the 5 year rulethere'll be blood shed on the tinselthey won't believe their eyeswhen I set fire to their chistmas treeand poke out their mince piesWe want an feckin' answer nowme family's sick as parrots.Or I'll set yer puffin' reindeer freeand kick Rudulph in the carrotsMe granny says she's got a painand I fink I've got one tooyou worn out geriatric fartI've got a wish for you!So I don't want a new bikeor flamin' girlie pramI'll give you flickin' yo ho hoand so will me dad and mam.All I want this Christmas is to know that we can stayand that we won't get deportedand have to go away.So if you get it sortedmy auntie swears that shewill come round to your grottoand bounce upon your knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caramac Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 [:D][:D][:D]Pure Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Pam Ayres, eat your heart out! Thanks for the giggle, Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Very funny, Cathy.I have posted again to Jim Murphy's bloghttp://blogs.fco.gov.uk/blogs/jim_murphy/archive/2007/12/03/15249.aspx#commentsI really believe it is high time we were all put out of our misery. It is unimaginable what those undergoing treatment are going through at present. Please contact everybody you can think of to urge them to make the announcement with the briefest possible delay before something tragic happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ams Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Just finished reading the december issue of Connexion. The banner headline of "Healthcare ban will NOT be retrospective", together with the other articles concerning the same matter, 5 year rule and the Q & A section would appear to be very positive. Naturally not quite the same as getting a letter from the local CPAM, welcome back, and send us a new direct debit form, but better than nothing whilst we all wait for Santa to deliver !!!!!!!!!!!!! ams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poleta Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Anyone wanting to follow Cooperlola's example in contacting Mme Gaillard can find her email address at:http://www.bilanskine.net/spip/spip.php?article464&lang=frMy wife emailed her on the 28th November - no reply yet. Perhaps a few more emails might prompt her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caussenarde Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 There is no point in writing to Mme Gaillard.She is a spokesperson, press officer or the like. She does not control policy. She is not the decison maker.The situation is under review by an 'etude juridique tres poussee' involving the Minister in charge of Social Security. This study will conclude at a date 'non-fixee'.Mme Gaillard will not know the outcome of this study and the political direction the Minister will take until it is finished, and evidently she does not know when this will be.If you want to try to influence events and decisions you could write to the decison maker, the ministere herself rather than venting your spleen (and the rest) on Gaillard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, Mme Gaillard has been our communication point (FHI's that is) and has been helpful in the past in that she does get the information pretty quickly when it is available. Having been a "Mme Gaillard" equivalent in a past life myself, I know that as press liaison/spokesperson one is often party to a lot of information which is outside the public domain, and a press office can have quite a lot of influence upon the way in which such information is disseminated and its timing. I would not advise a mass sending of mail to somebody like her and agree that if one is lobbying as an individual, a stronger line of attack is to approach the minister concerned or ones MPs and MEPs. However, for pressure groups it does not harm to let the press office know that one has ammunition in one's arsenal and an ability to use it, hence our own letter, which I quoted above. We do continue along the other routes, as ever, in the meantime.I am interested to know where you get the rest of your information from as the statements which have been issued thus far suggest that the study phase is over and that the statement was in fact signed by the minister over a week ago. Its publication date is therefore all that is outstanding, pending clarification to CPAMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poleta Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I have been trying without success to get the email addresses of French ministers for lobbying purposes. Their postal addresses are freely available but time is fast running out for us (only 4 weeks left with Christmas/New Year in between!). I do not intend to vent my spleen on anyone - merely explain my position and ask what is being done about it.Mme Gaillard was reported to have said that the circulars were sent for distribution to CPAMs on the 23rd November. I have asked her if this is the case and if so, why the information hasn't been announced. I cannot see why she has not at least acknowledged my email since it contained valid questions. I also do not see any problem with contacting the Head of Communication for Social Security when no one else seems available. Encouraging others to do the same may, at the very least, convey the frustration that we all feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caussenarde Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 The information you refer to was part of my post of 3.12.07 15.26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks, Caussenarde. The date of the letter which you were sent makes this clearer as our understanding is that this was signed the following day.The French health minister's website is herehttp://www.sante-jeunesse-sports.gouv.fr/and certainly, she appears to have no e-mail address that is available to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Don't know if its any use but a bit of googling turns up : Géraldine DALBAN-MOREYNAS – Conseillère pour la Communication et la Presse01 40 56 40 14 – geraldine.dalban-moreynas@sante.gouv.frShes listed as part of the ministeres cabinetaddress corrrect in July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Thank you Cat for the poem, is was a ray of sunshine in a dismal day.It reminds me of the orchestra playing as the Titanic went down. Any other poems or ditty's out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maricopa Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 [quote user="Cat"]A Christmas wish for Santa [/quote]Cat, didn't realise you were such a fan of Kevin "bl***y" Wilson[:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 He certainly inspired it Maricopa, but I was much less rude [:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Another one of me poems [:$]Hello once moremadam Gaillardwe're all waitingthough we try hardwe're in suspensionanticipationthere's still no news, have you gone into hibernation?You made a promisedo you remember?Back in Octobernow it's December!I check my emailsbut nothing I hearthere's still no news, are you off skiing in the Alps dear?Talk to me, oh Madam Gaillardand give me back my little green cardDon't tease meDon't tease me, I could yetcatch somethingnasty I'll regretThose who already have "conditions"are now formingtheir own suspicionscan you hear themplease pick up your penthere's still no news, perhaps you've broken both your arms then?And all those with an E106are getting fractiousout in the French sticksthere's little time leftdo you have no soul?There's still no news, have you been sucked into a black hole?Talk to me, oh StephanieI can't bear this, it's killing meoh where are youwhere can you beperhaps you're gagged, and tied up to a tree?For those that can say"I've been here 5 years"you should do somethingto lessen their fearsthey have their rights dearplease get it sortedThere's still no news, perhaps you'll wait til they're deported?But if there's somethingin the pipelinedon't keep it secretthrow us a lifelineand we will all feelso much betterMadam Gaillard please don't disregard this letter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Formal notification or statement or not, I have received a letter from URSSAF today saying that they had received from CPAM confirmation of our continuation in the CMU on condition of residence. We do not have 5 years residence yet, so it looks like they are keeping people in the CMU who have satisfied the continued residence criteria in September without having been here for five years. Lets hope for everyone's sake that they apply the same criteria to those who are on E 106s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 We understand from a reliable source that the promised statement from the Social Security Department is being delayed due to an internal dispute between the ministry and the CPAMs. The latter are delaying the implementation of the new rulings on the grounds that they are too complicated and possibly open to legal challenge. I reckon we could have told them that!What the implications of this latest news will be we do not know but will keep you updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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