Jimmy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]Jimmy, Polish people I have almost no experience of, but I do know that the system is not watertight so suggest that children abroad could be fictive. Perhaps a rigorous system of checking should be brought in.I also think that children's allowance should only be paid for the first say three children in a family, and it might be taxable too.[/quote]I agree but would say pay on the first child only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Well, whatever is right, but not allowances which encourage big families paid for by the taxpayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 From http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/childbenefit/start/who-qualifies/new-arrivals-uk.htm#2If you've come to the UK but your child has stayed behindThere are different arrangements for Child Benefit depending on whether you are working and have come from an EEA country or not. You will still however need to be responsible for your child.If you have come to the UK from a country that is outside the EEA or Switzerland you can only qualify for Child Benefit once your child actually arrives in the UK. If however you have arrived from an EEA country or Switzerland, you can usually get Child Benefit even if your child doesn't come to the UK. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Don't forget some of us remember not being able to get was 'family allowance' for the first child, my mother only got it for me while my brother was at school, but once he left that stopped and only started again when my sister was born (there are large age gaps in the ages of my siblings )Now even children abroad get it - thats a big change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]Well, whatever is right, but not allowances which encourage big families paid for by the taxpayer.[/quote] But we need all the 'little people' we can get - to pay our pensions.....!!! ( Children not leprechauns or diddy-men !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote user="Russethouse"][quote user="woolybanana"]Well, whatever is right, but not allowances which encourage big families paid for by the taxpayer.[/quote] But we need all the 'little people' we can get - to pay our pensions.....!!! ( Children not leprechauns or diddy-men !)[/quote]Yeah - if you can get them off benefits when they grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Remove age discrimination in the workplace and you would reduce the need for the kids and incomers.Concerning kids, those left abroad or coming to the country from outside the EU area should be blood tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 [quote user="woolybanana"]Concerning kids, those left abroad or coming to the country from outside the EU area should be blood tested [/quote]Yeah, great idea. We could then give them all ID chips like we do with dogs and keep them in special camps. What planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 A planet which wants to prevent fraud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbantam Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 [quote user="Jimmy"][quote user="woolybanana"]Concerning kids, those left abroad or coming to the country from outside the EU area should be blood tested [/quote]Yeah, great idea. We could then give them all ID chips like we do with dogs and keep them in special camps. What planet are you on?[/quote]At Last, a man who speaks sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Thanks guys, after 70 plus pages of keeping to the subject I suppose this had to happen - if you want to change the sense of this thread, why not open another thread to discuss whether Polish or any other country's claimants are entitled to benefits that have nothing to do with DLA/AA/CA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 sorry Tony, you are quite right. will keep my big provocative gob shut on your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 And the word is more reinstatements through today!Right, now we sort out the other bits that HMG are still being silly about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corbeliere. Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Just yesterday, the backpay to 2007 went into my account. I will no doubt receive a letter from the DWP in due course telling me what I already know.It has been worth the form filling and waiting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbantam Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Hi all, we too received the back pay into our account. No letter also. The wait certainly has been worth it though. Thanks to all for keeping us in the loop with special thanks to Tony. We've won part one, nows lets begin the campaign for part two. Back pay prior to October 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Brilliant, another one sorted out!!!As you say, part 2 is underway, just waiting for a decision from the Tribunal held on 3 March! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardian Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Tony .............Maybe it's just me, but I must admit to being a little confused as to exactly what the state of play is on all this. I've followed the thread from day 1, but there have been quite a few ups and downs, what with appeals, recent successes and so on.I appreciate entirely that everyone's situation is slightly different, but would it be possible for you to give a 'bullet by bullet' status? Nothing too wordy or lengthy: just simple one-liners.Thanks in anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 BackgroundHMG taken to ECJ, put on notice of proceedings May 2005, therefore legally should have put all claims in abayence which they failed to doOctober 2007, HMG loose at ECJ on DLA, AA and CA but mobility element is excluded3000 plus people then lodge requests for reinstatementHMG come up with a new set of criteria and claim that as the law was ok until it wasn't ok, it was ok so therefore still not p[ayableMHG then loose at 4 major Upper Tribunals but still refuse to reinstateMassed complaints on compliance to the ECJ and to the Independant Case Examiner - decision by ICE still outstanding, awaiting decision from the 3/4 March TribunalsECJ take out infringement proceedings against HMG and eventually the Minister, Jonathan Shaw, changes the HMG tack and they agree that their new rules were rubbish and start to reinstate people, all to be reinstated by the end of September 2010Across this, 4 test cases (representing over 300 claimants, it later transpired that these were NOT test cases) go to the Lower Tribunal on 3/4 March 2010, parts of which are overwritten by the Minister's decisionBUT, the Judges have to decide what the date of qualification is, HMG say it's October 2007 (ECJ date) but a Higher Tribunal Judge has already said it's the date that the benefit was first awarded, so those people who were disallowed say in October 2005 have not had their benefit backdated to that date, only to October 2007, which is the date HMG is currently usingAnd the mobility element was referred back to the ECJ as the result of a previous Upper Tribunal decision by Judge Mesher and it's likely that will be won by the claimants.Think that's about it, 2.5 years of the campaign broken down into a few lines !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardian Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Tony ..............That's really helpful. Can't say whether it helps others, but it helps me. Thanks, as ever, for your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Thanks for that.Beautifully explained in few words.Even I understand it - I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbantam Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Hi Tony, any idea when we are likely to hear back from the March hearings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 None at all, initially the two Judge's Clerk told me about 3 weeks. However, since then there have been a large number of supplementary submissions, threats from the DWP to take it to the Higher Tribunal - like, we won't - and from what I remember, the case has been called in by the Chairman of the Judge's panel because of its complexity.Basically, your guess is as good as anybody's but it's worth remembering that whilst others may benefit from the decision in this case, there are two claimants and their families/carers actively involved in these cases and it's them that are really fighting this on behalf of the rest of us.Oh, and we still don't know whether these will be lead cases but that's becoming increasingly academic cos if the DWP loose, I think they'll roll over despite all the muscle flexing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbantam Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Hi Tony, i received the much awaited letter from DWP today. I tried to send you a copy but the email keeps being returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 I have a new email address, I'll send it to you through here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Bunny Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 back pay rec'd today - Exchange rate of 1.2303. Now for the rest (5yrs from 2002 to 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Excellent news - as for the other backdated payment of benefit, there is a strong rumour round, via one of the claimants involved, that there will be a decision before the end of July, which is when the Tribunal rises for about 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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