powerdesal Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I tried adding this into the Landrover thread, but perhaps the thread title was offputting.Does anyone on the forum run a car on GPL? How easy is it to get a conversion done in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 HiI have just had a quote of €3900 for a V8 Range Rover which I think is a bit on the pricey side compared to £1850-£2250 in the uk. There are quite a few places in France to choose from, just google gpl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Well I tried Google for GPL and got exactly nowhere. Still searching though.Is it feasible to take your French registered car on holiday to UK and get the conversion done there. Apart from the warranty issues (if needed) and annual service check (another holiday) it would seem to be a major saving.I assume that the RR V8 would want the latest multipoint injection system with auto changeover and temperature permissive change to gas after start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 I found this, but my French translating skills are not the best. It looks like you can get E2000 grant in the right circumstances, perhaps someone could translate effectively?????????????A compter de janvier 2006 Carte grise : Taux d'exonération totale ou partielle dans de nombreux départements Voir le taux d'exonération par département Crédit d'impôt : L’article 200 quinquies du Code Général des Impôts est modifié comme suit : « - Les contribuables qui ont leur domicile fiscal en France au sens de l’article 4B peuvent bénéficier d’un crédit d’impôt d’un montant de 2000 € au titre des dépenses payées pour l’acquisition à l’état neuf ou pourla première souscription d’un contrat de location avec option d’achatou de location souscrit pour une durée d’au moins deux ans d’unvéhicule automobile terrestre à moteur, dont la conduite nécessite lapossession d’un permis de conduire mentionné à l’article L. 223-1 ducode de la route et qui fonctionne exclusivement ou non au moyen du gazde pétrole liquéfié, de l’énergie électrique ou du gaz naturelvéhicule, dès lors que ce véhicule émet moins de 200 grammes de dioxyde de carbone par kilomètre » Le crédit d’impôt s’applique également aux dépenses de transformationeffectuées par des professionnels habilités et destinées à permettre lefonctionnement au moyen du gaz de pétrole liquéfié de véhicules encoreen circulation, dont la première mise en circulation est intervenuedepuis moins de trois ans et dont le moteur de traction utiliseexclusivement l’essence. Le Crédit d’impôt est porté à 3000 € lorsquel’acquisition ou la première souscription d’un contrat de location avecoption d’achat ou de location souscrit pour une durée d’au moins deuxans d’un véhicule répondant aux conditions énoncées au premier alinéas’accompagne de la destruction d’une voiture particulière immatriculéeavant le 1er Janvier 1997, depuis au moins douze mois à la date de sadestruction et encore en circulation à cette même date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Don't forget that you can't take a gas car on the Shuttle, don't know what the rules are for ferries or Speedcat.Lots of places seem to sell GPL so supply shouldn't be a problem, was around 60 cents a litre yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 [quote user="powerdesal"]Is it feasible to take your French registered car on holiday to UK and get the conversion done there. Apart from the warranty issues (if needed) and annual service check (another holiday) it would seem to be a major saving.[/quote]My understanding of this is that it is not currently advisable to do so, because in general UK aftermarket LPG conversions are not homologated in France - or else their UK homologation is not recognised in France, which amounts to the same thing in practice. One item in particular that seems to be an issue is the safety valve, from memory. There are two times when these issues could catch up with you: the CT and if you have an accident. I think that to benefit from the tax reduction, you would have to have the work done in France.RegardsPickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 [quote user="Pierre ZFP"]Don't forget that you can't take a gas car on the Shuttle, .[/quote] I am sure that you can Pierre.They ask you as part of the booking process and I believe that you are then given a different rear view mirror hanger/boarding card, presumably to enter into a different compartment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre ZFP Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 From the Eurotunnel website:LPGVehicles fitted with LPG containers to power domestic services e.g. cooking, refrigeration, heating and water heaters are accepted as long as the containers are switched off, weigh no more than 47kg and are not more than 80% full. If your vehicle is fitted with such a container, you must declare this at Check-In.LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas) and dual powered vehicles (i.e. vehicles fitted with an LPG tank as an alternative fuel) cannot be accepted for transport by Eurotunnel.© 2008 Eurotunnel. All rights reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 [quote user="Pickles"][quote user="powerdesal"]Is it feasible to take your French registered car on holiday to UK and get the conversion done there. Apart from the warranty issues (if needed) and annual service check (another holiday) it would seem to be a major saving.[/quote]My understanding of this is that it is not currently advisable to do so, because in general UK aftermarket LPG conversions are not homologated in France - or else their UK homologation is not recognised in France, which amounts to the same thing in practice. One item in particular that seems to be an issue is the safety valve, from memory. There are two times when these issues could catch up with you: the CT and if you have an accident. I think that to benefit from the tax reduction, you would have to have the work done in France.RegardsPickles[/quote]An interesting point, I wonder what is the French view ( C of C wise) of the fact that you can buy a new Vauxhall, direct from the manufacturer, fitted with dual petrol / LPG fuel systems ( I realise of course that you specifically say "aftermarket conversions")Can I assume that no engine / fuel system modifications are allowed in France unless carried out by a certified French Company?I know Holland and Italy are big on LPG conversions, does this mean that such cars from those countries would also experience the same problems at CT time or RTA.I did figure from my limited translation that the conversion had to be done by a French Co, I thought the possibility of a grant to defray the expense may interest JMB given the size of the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 SteveIf you buy a factory fitted GPL system, then it should figure on the EU certificate of conformity and therefore can be registered in France without problem.If you buy an aftermarket system, then you need to submit the car to the DRIRE for an SVA certificate in order to have the carte grise amended to reflect the new fuel system. The DRIRE will want to see conformity certificates for all the various elements of the conversion - there's a long list published on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Back in harness with a vengeance SD, thanks, but take life easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 A brief look at the DRIRE site shows (as far as I can tell) that a UK conversion has no chance of acceptance. I guess the French converters have the required certification etc. Can anyone recommend any particular French company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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