NormanH Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I have frequently pointed out that to understand what is going on at the moment you need to know a bit about the period in France 1939-1962, with both the Occupation and its scars and the Algerian War.One particularly shameful episode was this one:http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/10/17/17-octobre-1961-ce-massacre-a-ete-occulte-de-la-memoire-collective_1586418_3224.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Yes, Norman, quite agree. But taken in context, surely this could have been predicted, as can current attitudes?As to suppressing memory, well, all governments do it, don't they? Noone wants to constantly wash their dirty laundry in public either.Attitudes to the people of the old Indo Chinese colonies are very different, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Sur le moment, il y a eu censure de la presse, avec l'empĂȘchement des journalistes En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/10/17/17-octobre-1961-ce-massacre-a-ete-occulte-de-la-memoire-collective_1586418_3224.html#mVkdQbzSqdRbMyq2.99And that is the thing isn't it. Who knew at the time????? And I thought that Bloody Sunday was bad enough, it sadly pales in comparison.When I first got to France, and for many years after, the news would suddenly go off for a few seconds, technical problems every time, and usually during something important. And then Taxi, which was a wonderful Panorama type program stopped during the broadcast when there was trouble on the streets, with students if memory serves....... and I did not see the main journalist on tv for many years.I am not saying that most press is not censured, because I believe it is, but it always felt worse in France than the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patf Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 There was a report about it on France 24 recently (or was it RT?) I already knew about it. The ironic thing is that the french veterans of that war are still regarded as heroes. They're all in their 70s-80s now and at funerals their fellow soldiers turn up to support them. There's been 2 in our village since we came. Maybe there was conscription?France must have had a huge empire at one time (Napoleon?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 In those days the Press/TV was heavily censured by the government, quite overtly. Nowadays it still happens but it is by the back door, old boy net. Though, there are signs this is under strain, for example in the case of Mr Hollande trawling actresses on his scooter or the case of the retro commissions paid to politicians for their campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 I think one essential difference between the French and British Empires is the fact that in Algeria anyway the French considered it as part of France.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_AlgeriaThis has had a profound influence on how independence is viewed even now and the resentment of the pieds noirs who came back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 [quote user="NormanH"]I think one essential difference between the French and British Empires is the fact that in Algeria anyway the French considered it as part of France.[/quote]Even allowing some native Algerians some of the rights of the ethnic French there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 But no one needs to have been in France for five years to get one, it's all on the service public. fr web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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