Discount your tax declaration

[Teamedup]

I have yet to check, but have been told that there is a 20 euro reduction if one makes one's tax declaration via the internet.

Might not be a lot, but better in my pocket than Sarko's, if it works.

[Ron Avery]

[quote]I have yet to check, but have been told that there is a 20 euro reduction if one makes one's tax declaration via the internet. Might not be a lot, but better in my pocket than Sarko's, if it works.[/quote]

Someone else raised this in another thread,   It is only if you did your return  on line AND paid by standing order/preleve that you got the €20 discount.  look at the French income tax website

It says "Une réduction d'impôt de 20 euros est accordée aux foyers qui déposent leur déclaration par l'internet et qui payent l'impôt sur le revenu en 2005 soit par prélèvement automatique, mensuel ou par tiers,  soit par paiement direct en ligne.

[Tourangelle]

The notice that came with our declaration form confirms what Ron was told. If you fill it in on line and then pay by standing order or my some other electronic method then you get 20 euros off. But not if you just fill out the form on line.

[Teamedup]

Well we can get it then, nice to be able to pay a little less.

[Mistral]

We did ours yesterday. Since we've paid monthly for the last god knows how long, we just ticked the box for "modern method of paying" or whatever and it was automatically calculated.

This is the second year we've done it by internet. It's certainly less hassle than filling in the form and remembering to send it of and everything. You get a receipt straight away, so there's no doubt. Of course, we have about the simplest form to fill in; my wages, his wages, childcare for #3 and sign.

 

[SaligoBay]

A neighbour told me today that you can't do it online if it's your first French tax declaration, so I had a look on http://www.impots.gouv.fr et voilà, here it is:

Qui n’est pas concerné par ce service ?

Certains usagers ne sont pas autorisés à télédéclarer, il s’agit : des contribuables "primo-déclarants", qui établissent pour la première fois une déclaration de revenus ; des contribuables "défaillants", qui n’ont pas déclaré leurs revenus l’année précédente, ainsi que de certains cas particuliers.

Détail des cas particuliers non concernés par le service : (shortened version of a longer list!)

• Les contribuables dont la situation familiale a changé en 2004 (mariage, divorce, rupture de Pacs, décès ) ou si vous avez conclu un Pacs en 2001, 2002, 2003 ou 2004. ;

 

And there you have it.   

[Ron Avery]

[quote]We did ours yesterday. Since we've paid monthly for the last god knows how long, we just ticked the box for "modern method of paying" or whatever and it was automatically calculated. This is the sec...[/quote]

Filled in the return, got a shock with the difference that declaring UK savings interest makes to the bill, social charge and all, however at overall  5% tax still cheaper than the UK.  Problem is now how to pay  Tried setting up the preleve but is this possible before the tax bill arrives?

 Sorry for being a bit dense and all but it wants a Référence de l'avis, which can be found on the avis d'imposition in "le cadre "renseignements sur le paiement de l'impôt" de votre avis d'imposition, but presumably I have not got one yet, 

PS  I tried the fiscal number and that did not work. 

[Hereford]

Mistral:

Did our return online last week and becasue we are paying monthly at present we asumed this would carry on.  We did not see a "box" to tick for monthly payments.  Where was this box?

Nor did we see any calculations.  Can we get these now? We have a receipt and looking on our dossier it shows that the return has been filed so it did work.

We want to carry on paying monthly so how do we get it organised now, can we wait for paperwork to come and do it then as we did last year?

Thanks for you help. We thought that the form said you had to agree to pay by a modern method but don't remember whether there was a box about it.

Hereford

[Mistral]

I can't remember to well, I think there was something about "the 20E reduction is only valid....." and then you ticked do you agree? It wasn't asking you if you wanted to set up the monthly payments, just telling you about it. We didn't have to prove we did it or anything. I assumed the tax office would deal with the reduction because they know full well we pay that way

We've been on the monthly system for years now and it just continues, you don't have to ask every year. I don't think you need to do anything. Was last year your first year doing it? What happens is that you pay for 8 (9?) months based on the previous year and then in August/sept you get an avis d'impot telling you how much more (or less) you owe and how that will be spread over the remaining months of the year along with a monthly breakdown for the following year

As for the calculations, just before, you click on the send button, there was a "estimate" button on the right hand side, I clicked on that and got the calculations. On that it showed that we had the 20E reduction. If you want to check what you will be paying, you can still check by going back to the home page and clicking on "estimation" or something like that. I always do this (used to be on minitel) I calculate it out myself and then use the inernet/minitel to check my calculations, that way we don't get too many nasty surprises in September.

I'm sorry if I was unclear and made you panic.

[Hereford]

Thanks Mistral.  I think we should be OK then as I am sure we "agreed" to pay by a "modern method" and we are already paying monthly.  Yes, last year was our first year so this year is the first online.

Will try to find the "estimate" button and get back to you if we have a problem finding it!

Hereford

 

[Hereford]

We went onto the Impot site again today and cannot find anywhere a pointer to the "estimate" of tax based on the filed return.

We did find that you can "modify" the return so pretended to do that and when we got to the end it said "calculs .....non-disponible".

Perhaps that is why we cannot find a link!

Which page should we find the estimate button on, once the return has gone in? We think we have a pretty good idea of our tax payable.from our own calculations but it would be nice to know before August.

We agree with the earlier post that the Social contributions on Interest received make a lot of difference, for us they meant last year that we paid more tax here than we would have done in the UK.

Thanks everyone.

Hereford

[Mistral]

Try here http://www2.finances.gouv.fr/calcul_impot/2005/ Of crse if I had talked about "calculez votre impot" instead of estimate, it would have helped. Sorry

 

 

[Hereford]

Thanks, Mistral, for the link.  We have income that is taxed (permanently) in the UK so the program crashes. It produces a message to the effect that it is too complicated and we must speak to the "revenu" office! 

It would seem that this would happen to anyone with for example a govt. pension or rent in the UK.  It finally got stressed when we went to enter the amount carried forward from CSG last year. If we ignore CSG figure it will allow us to put a figure in UK taxed box TI but them comes up with an incorrect answer. as it ignores box TI in the calculations!

We had a simliar problem last year too when we could not actually file online but tried to get a rough idea of the correct answer for tax etc.

Never mind we will wait until August, or have another go via "modifying" our return.

Hereford

[Ron Avery]

[quote]Thanks, Mistral, for the link. We have income that is taxed (permanently) in the UK so the program crashes. It produces a message to the effect that it is too complicated and we must speak to the "re...[/quote]

As far as I am aware, the only income that is taxed in the UK that you do not have to declare in France is a pension from the Civil Service, local authority or similar.  All other UK taxed income has to be declared in France and you can then claim back the tax paid in the UK from the UK IR, via the French Tax office

 August?  I think you'll find you have until April 4 to submit your return, unless you are in the trial area that is doing pre calculated tax.

[Hereford]

Rental income in the UK is always taxed there. But you have to show it on your French return and it affects the rate of tax you pay on other French taxable income. Any tax paid in the UK is also shown. The govt./civil service etc pensions that are taxed in the UK do still have to be shown on the French form and you also show any tax paid.

The reason you have to show such income appears to be because the French need to know your "world" income for working out all your impots., e.g. getting a reduced taxe d'habitation.  It would hardly be fair to get a reduced t d'h just because one has little income taxable in France whilst having a whopping (or not so whopping) civil service pension taxable in the UK.

Hereford