rico Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 We have just converted a 6 bedroomed house into a 4 bed house, but added a bureau and another salle douche. Would our Tax fonciere bill be reduced because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Am I understanding correctly that you've converted one bedroom into an office and another bedroom into a shower room?I was once told that tax foncieres increased when you added a water point such as a sink, toilet or shower so I would think it would increase as you haven't decreased your habitable space but have added facilities - but I could be wrong! I am sure someone in the know will correct me if that is the case.Your fosse size requirement should go down with 2 less bedrooms, ironically, since it seems the number of bedrooms is all they are bothered about and they ignore the number of bathrooms. Or at least that's what our spanc inspector told us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 [quote user="rico"]Would our Tax fonciere bill be reduced because of this.[/quote]I agree with Debra ... if you tell the powers that be they will, in all probability, increase your taxe foncières for the reasons she listed re the additions of the sink/loo/shower. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 I have not added a toilet, there are still two in the house, just a shower, bath and sinks.I was under the impression that the fonciere was based on the rentable value of your home, therefore i thought that a six bed house would give more revenue so a higher fonciere bill than would a 4 bed house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 [quote user="rico"]I have not added a toilet just a shower, bath and sinks.[/quote]As an example - in a house we looked at with a possibility of buying - the taxe fonc and d'hab were around the 600 euro mark each. But the owner had changed a cellier into a shower room - just shower and basin - without saying anything to anyone. The upshot being that the changes were taken into account when the house was sold and the following year the bills went up. We didn't buy that house, but we know who did, and they were moaning about the increases!Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 It was somebody we were viewing a house with that explained it to us, Sue. We asked how come they hadn't added a toilet to the newly added upstairs bathroom, just a sink, shower and bidet (which I think they actually used as a urinal). They explained that the tax fonciere went up for each new amenity item; sink, shower, bidet - all extra water points that were charged for - but if they added a toilet it went up a lot more because that amenity was valued more than a sink, shower or bidet. I don't actually know if that is how it is worked out, but this French guy seemed to think it was and it had shaped how he had improved his house!An increase in habitable space will increase the taxes charged but I don't think a change of use to another habitable room will. As I said before, the only thing I have heard of change of use of a bedroom affecting is the fosse size you need to have to conform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Have a look at this form, rico: http://www.impots.gouv.fr/portal/deploiement/p1/fichedescriptiveformulaire_3176/fichedescriptiveformulaire_3176.pdf and particularly the bit about how you have changed 'confort-equipment' - among other things, it mentions toilets, showers and washbasins. It does ask how many rooms and m2 there were before and after so you never know, that may be taken into account, but I would guess not (but don't know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Same on the H1 form: http://www.ir-conseil.com/telech/formulaire-h1.pdf (see section 4). It asks how many bedrooms but also how many bathrooms so it depends on whether they value one more than the other, but comfort items are still counted separately.I hope you'll post the result when you find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 We had a toilet put in to the bathroom and a very tiny handbasin put into the separate WC. Our neighbours told us not to put them on the form, as we would have higher bills. We just couldn't write 1 where we ought to write 2; we now have larger bills than neighbours with bigger apartments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Now you mention it, gardengirl, I remember something about the reason the French don't put a handbasin in with their toilets is that it is more expensive on the taxes. ie add a basin to your bathroom is one cost but add a basin to your toilet instead, still only one basin, and it costs more!Ask a French neighbour before changing the facilities is the message!I remember that when I was a child there was some connection between the number of radiators in the house being connected to the council property rates charged in the UK. This was my parents' excuse for not putting radiators in my bedroom on the second floor! The heat was supposed to rise but it didn't feel like it did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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