form 2047 sections vi and vii - government pensions

[Gardener]

Last year there was a huge discussion concerning a letter from the impots that some had received and little could initially make sense of and cooperlola wrote

We probably need to get a Mod' to change the FAQ:

Q As ex service personnel, my partner and I receive a service pension from the UK government and they are taxed at source. As we have already paid the tax on our pensions in the UK, do we really need to declare them in France?

A Yes, service pensions are public sector pensions, subject to tax in the UK and covered by the Double Taxation Treaty, but they will still need to be declared in France. So, on form 2047, your gross pension goes in section VII. REVENUS EXONÉRÉS PRIS EN COMPTE POUR LE CALCUL DU TAUX EFFECTIF - the form explains which figures go where. You then transfer the total to box TI on your form 2042.>

This was were government pensions were always entered and where I put mine last year.

On the Tax faqs however, it now says this

According to the tax faqs, VII is for income derived from UK property.

But to me, it still looks as though VII is the correct place for government pensions, can anyone clarify please?

Would the end tax result be the same whether it went in VI or VII?

[cooperlola]

This is being discussed elsewhere between Norman, Parsnips and others.  In spite of the rule changes, none of the notes, nor the new forms, appear to have been adjusted to reflect the changes.  SD did rewrite the FAQs and they are correct, according to the law.  However, some tax offices last year did not accept the changes but some did, iirc (this doesn't affect me personally.)  Thus you have a straight choice - ignore the changes and complete the forms according to the notes, or do them according to the law.  As Norman said elsewhere, at least if you follow the notes and it's wrong, you can defend your position as you clearly did as you were instructed!

[Gardener]

Thank you and apologies for not finding the other thread !

[cooperlola]

You wouldn't necessarily have recognised it, so no apology necessary but here it is:

http://services.completefrance.com/forums/completefrance/cs/forums/2706537/ShowPost.aspx

It explains it far better than I can (from the bottom of page 1 onwards.)