cooperlola2 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Forgive my customary towering ignorance, but in her last lucid days Cooperlola was worrying about how we were going to pay an additional tax to be levied on us from Jan 2013. I think it might have been a social charge? Can someone kindly point me towards the Forum's latest info on this, please? I need to make sure I minimise the number of additional financial bombshells in the near future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I think she may have been thinking of the CSG and CRDS on Pension income which is additional to the % you pay to be in the CMU. This is only applicable for those covered by the French system (of which the CMU is part) not for those covered by an S1Many people haven't been paying this inadvertently because it used to be declared separately to an organisation called Urssaf, but unless they knew about you you weren't billed and many people didn't even realise that they should have informed this body of their income. Now it is collected by the tax authorities, and so will be more likely to be collected.It is declared on the déclaration des revenus filled in in May each year.There are 3 levels depending on your income: 6.6% (possibly going up to 7.5) 3.8% or 0%http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F2971.xhtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hi Ian,Debs e-mailed me on this, as I pointed out to her that I didn't think it was viable, it will depend on your earnings and she thanked me - I think what I raised with her set her mind at rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola2 Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Unfortunately, Deb has proved to be right. A demand for 2934 euros has just arrived, payable at once (well, within weeks) as Prelevements Sociaux. I am scuppered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britgirl Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Crikey, that's something you could do without. Out of interest what period of time does this cover.The only reason I'm asking is because I seem to recall having to pay about 300 euros per tri-mester to URSAFF. (Declared in-actif and not in receipt of S1 etc). I don't recall the exact details as it was nearly 5 years ago, and since then I've returned to the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola2 Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 This is for 2011. URSSAF looks after health costs, and I've just had to send them 580 euros for this quarter.So the cats need their annual injections, and I set off with two out of three, the other having absconded at the thought, only to find there is no vet on duty today, although the shop is open of course. There are days when it isn't worth getting out of bed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Very sorry that this has hit you just when you are down.I remember discussing this with her as she was worried that they might go back over the years, (not just for last year) and I hope I was able to reassure her that it was unlikely.These charges are payable by those who are in the CMU, but many people didn't declare themselves to URSSAF and so slipped under the radar.Now that they are collected by the tax people, and so those who have declared correctly and honestly as Debs obviously did will be hit in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola2 Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 One of the real advantages of French taxation is that we have access to someone local to discuss the matter. When I lived in Kent, my tax was dealt with in Bootle! So I drove the few miles to Mamers, and within 20 minutes of turning up was given a polite hearing, which resulted in a bit of staging of the 3k euros. Hard to fault their attitude, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derf Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote user="cooperlola2"]One of the real advantages of French taxation is that we have access to someone local to discuss the matter. When I lived in Kent, my tax was dealt with in Bootle! So I drove the few miles to Mamers, and within 20 minutes of turning up was given a polite hearing, which resulted in a bit of staging of the 3k euros. Hard to fault their attitude, frankly.[/quote]I don't know if this is relevant or not, to your problem, but check out the following post. http://poitoucharentes.angloinfo.com/forum/viewtopic/119025/0/prelevements-sociaux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 As I understand it cooperlola2 pays to be in the CMU, and so is à la charge of France, not under an S1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Might it be something to do with this?Non à la taxation massive et destructrice des emplois à domicile !Dans son nouveau projet de loi de finances, le Gouvernement veut augmenter massivement les impôts et charges sur les emplois à domicile à partir du 1er janvier 2013. Cela va entraîner la destruction de dizaines de milliers d'emplois et va compliquer la vie de millions de familles, sans aucun bénéfice social ou fiscal. Ne soyons pas les dindons de la farce politique et budgétaire. Mobilisons-nous pour sauver les emplois à domicile ! Et comme les Pigeons, faisons reculer le Gouvernement.Source - an email received today from Mesopinions.com. looking for signatures on a petition (click on text above for link to petition with more information - in French ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Google translation of the link above, for those who may need help with French texts:Attention Government of MM. François Hollande and Jean-Marc AyraultIn his new budget bill, the Government wants to massively increase taxes and charges on home jobs from 1 January 2013. This will cause the destruction of tens of thousands of jobs and will complicate the lives of millions of families, no social benefits or tax advice. Do not be the turkey stuffing and fiscal policy. Let us mobilize to save jobs at home! And as pigeons, are pushing the Government. In 1992, reducing payroll taxes on employment at home, Martine Aubry has created hundreds of thousands of jobs that have improved the lives of the French. Eliminating these brutally reductions in charges and taxes, hourly jobs at home will increase dramatically: - Use a caregiver or a nanny full time in his family cost about 5000 euros per year per household! 2500 euros half-time, etc ... - Pay 40 hours tutoring her child cost 300 euros more expensive! who have the means to pay for such increases? We are all Turkeys! We nannies, housekeepers , tutors, aids elderly or disabled gardeners, mechanics ... want to continue working legally and at an affordable price to make life easier for our customers, parents, children and elderly person. mothers and fathers We have family absolutely need this support to continue to work and raise our children in the best conditions. And most of us can not take a 25 to 40% of the hourly cost of such aid. Employment at home is not a tax shelter, but a social treasure! - Keep and educating children is not a "tax shelter"! - Helping older people to remain at home is not a "tax shelter"! - Allowing women to continue to work, it is not a "tax shelter! . " Government takes the risk of creating a considerable social and economic case: - The inevitable reduction in hours and the return of "moonlighting" will weaken tens of thousands of unskilled jobs, returning the most fragile of us precariousness. - Students and teachers who were there additional income will lose purchasing power valuable, even indispensable to finance their studies. - The supervision and education of our children suffer. - A sector economic future, in full development, and jobs can not be relocated, will be massacred. - The destruction of jobs and return to work in black will remove additional fiscal resources expected by the Government. Too much tax kills tax. Michel Sapin, Minister of Labour, Pierre Moscovici, Minister of Economy, Marisol Touraine, Minister of Social Affairs, Mrs. Sylvia Pinel, Minister for Crafts, Trade and Tourism , Mrs Dominique Bertinotti, Minister of Family, Listen to us before it is too late! Come back to this disastrous project which goes against the objective of recovery in justice. # We are not turkeys! http://www.petition-dindons.fr Sign the petition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 But at the same time, the number of fonctionnaires is increasing sharply for the first time in 8 years.So, it is clear that socialism does no believe in REAL work but wants everyone working for the state or paid by the state not to work. In fact, that is what much state employment is, paid a full wage to work part time in a useless job, but with the right to grouch full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I am fairly sure this is not about a new tax, although it may seem new to those who haven't been paying it.It is the social charges due from those early retired who pay to be in the CMU, and therefore are à la charge of the French health system, not recipients of an S1The new system of collecting these charges by les Impôts rather then by the URSSAF ( to which many people didn't declare themselves) has brought to light the anomaly, but the duty to pay was in fact always there before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola2 Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 On that basis, therefore, in November 2013 - always assuming I get that far! - when I attain 65 years, do I then cease to pay to URSSAF, and also avoid this charge, no longer being a cost to France?Once again, DCD would have known all this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Yes, if you then get an OAP from the UK, you should also get an S1 form which means that the UK takes over the responsibility for your health care, and from that point you won't have to pay a % of your income to be in the CMU, nor will you have to pay the social charges....[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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