buelligan Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 A little spark of hope? [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8397625.stm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 It's said that truth is the first casualty in war and Bliar/Moron and their bunch mendacious sycophants surreptitiously declared war on democracy and free speech years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I find this very scarey. Assinations happen in other people's countries, right?[:'(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 But isn't that what UK is now Sweets ?I don't feel it's mine anymore, either physically or spiritually, and haven't for a long time [:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelligan Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 It is very scary Sweets. And I believe it's the duty of every person who does not wish to live in a tyranny to voice their desire for truth and justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Erns-Ano, in the 2 and a bit years since I've lived here, I've only been to the UK once (and that was at a family member's specific request).Other strange thing is, someone's brought me mince pies, a Dundee cake, Scottish Shortbread, a Christmas Pud, etc and I don't even want to eat any of it! So, something, somewhere inside me must be changing.........(no longer hankering after the traditional foods and Christmas rituals).But, I have much affection and sometimes homesickness for the Concept of the UK. Only the Idea of it, I think, because that one and only visit was a searingly unpleasant experience. I came scurrying back here after spending the least amount of time I decently could and I have not been back there since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegwini Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 You're lucky Sweets - some of us are still here!Poor Dr Kelly, and also the hundreds of brave soldiers killed - as well as the many seriously maimed, because of the arrogance of our useless politicians.Tegwini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelligan Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 Sweets, I have a very similar experience and feel similarly about it. But, although I've cut my ties with the UK for good, I don't think issues like this are confinable within national borders. Personally, I'm pretty much pursuaded that Dr Kelly was murdered and that his unlawful killing was covered up. This is a human issue, this is a justice issue. Whether it took place in the UK, China or wherever. As someone once said "If you want peace, work for justice..". Little one can do in most cases without power, but, whilst there is still some free speech left, one can certainly refuse to turn a blind eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 [quote user="sweet 17"]Erns-Ano, in the 2 and a bit years since I've lived here, I've only been to the UK once (and that was at a family member's specific request).Other strange thing is, someone's brought me mince pies, a Dundee cake, Scottish Shortbread, a Christmas Pud, etc and I don't even want to eat any of it! So, something, somewhere inside me must be changing.........(no longer hankering after the traditional foods and Christmas rituals).But, I have much affection and sometimes homesickness for the Concept of the UK. Only the Idea of it, I think, because that one and only visit was a searingly unpleasant experience. I came scurrying back here after spending the least amount of time I decently could and I have not been back there since. [/quote]Reminds me of the "Where is home" thread not long ago.Can I have the mince pies though? Someone brought some back to me and I've scoffed the lot already. 12 years without is a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 The evidence that Dr Kelly killed himself just doesn't stack up and I've thought so for a long time - lets hope these six manage to get the case re opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Tegs, you don't want to be in France plein temps though, do you?For me life in the UK and in France cannot be properly compared because I was working in the UK and now I am retired. So, don't really know how retirement in the UK would have panned out.Bue, I can't agree that Dr Kelly was bumped off: not that I know, mind. Just a sort of instinctive rejection of something so horrendous, I suppose. I do think that these petitioners are clutching at straws or rather specifically at Jack Straw.Richard, I used to be like you, just adored mince pies but now they taste strangely guey and over-sweet. That cos I's called Sweet and so I don't need anymore sweet things...........see, knew there was a reason somewhere [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russethouse Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Sweet, you should read up on Doctor Kelly, it seems highly unlikely that a man of his background and intelligence would end his life by cutting a vein that seals itself before blood loss is anywhere near dangerous level, and although he had tablets on him evidence of one one fifth of a tablet was found in his stomach. Plus the presence of people saying they were police officers, but never seen again, and now the fact that the case was opened before he was even reported missing.......very, very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Coeur de Lion Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Well, this conspiracy theory seems to have more legs than the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Will be interesting to see what happens. More cover ups I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelligan Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 Not to mention the odd decision by Dr Kelly to wipe all the fingerprints off the knife he used to cut his own wrist...and of course the wonderful way he managed to move himself even after he was dead....[url]http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/bedsonsunday-news/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=340617[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I too think that we have not heard the whole truth of the matter however I believe that it's pretty well accepted these days that, terminal illness aside perhaps, the taking ones own life is an act born of a mental imbalance, if not an outright illness, so may very well appear to be completely out of character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 You're right, RH, I should read more about this. I did confess to knowing very little, however. I am shocked and recoil at the implications: not a very adult thing to do, I know.If there were to be a new inquiry or indeed a proper inquest, it will only drag on and on and then you can't expect any clearcut conclusion. THAT'S the most depressing aspect of all, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegwini Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 [quote user="sweet 17"]Tegs, you don't want to be in France plein temps though, do you?For me life in the UK and in France cannot be properly compared because I was working in the UK and now I am retired. So, don't really know how retirement in the UK would have panned out. [:P][/quote]Well I think so - perhaps , maybe ...Problem is, toyboy husband is still working and doesn't want to retire as yet. I do, but can't get my own way here - drat! Also we have a Wilts/UK house to sell first. French house is more or less ready and waiting for us. But, I do fancy retirement in France and lots of travelling. Sounds as if you enjoy your retirement there? RegardsTegwini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Keep both properties for a bit, Tegs, at least, until the UK market turns up a bit.Can you try part-time retirement? See whether it's really, really what you want.Poor old Dr Kelly didn't get to enjoy his retirement, did he? (felt I had to put that in to stay on thread but I did want to reply to your post!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegwini Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yes Sweets that's what we're doing- and I only work (for dosh anyway) for a day or so each week. Yes I agree about Dr Kelly - also to stay on thread!RegardsTegwini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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