Frederick Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Under_a_Palm_TreeI watched the programme and felt so sorry for the woman bringing her kids up on her own . The poor woman was out of her depth and bounced into a corner at the Auction sale by the Barrister who suddenly arrived and demanded the lions share of the sale of the painting .And tried to fob her off with 25% as a "finders fee " after she had the painting for 20 years .I hope we are told who eventually "owns " the painting .Funny the family now claiming ownership had never seen it .. They have no records of any thefts . No burglary ever being reported . It could have been given away by a long dead family member who will ever know ? If you watched the programme who do you think should be declared the owner by a Judge . ? My local UK tip / recycle center sells painting and furniture . Perhaps if I see a painting of a few sun flowers .... I had better make sure I get receipt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The lady made a valid point in that had her father not picked up the painting-which was dumped outside a rubbish tip-then it would have disappeared completely. I think at the very least the proceeds should be split 50-50. As you say the family did not even know that the painting existed until Sotherby's contacted them. I think that leaving it until the last minute to challenge the sale was a cynical ploy on the family's part to-as you so rightly say-bounce her into a corner. As for the chaps patronising remark that he was sorry if she'd already spent the money(mentally) on a swimming pool-well!!She had already said she wanted to invest it to give her children a good start when they got older Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I thought a solicitor would be a little more careful with his words.Slander?Sotherby's seem convinced they had originally spoke to a daughter who had referred the matter to her mother. Catalogue sent out with photo of painting included-not received. Very strange.As you say a minimum of 50% split and consider themselves very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 Speaking to people on a telephone and " assuming " you have a person of authority on the other end seems a funny way of dealing with this by the auction house . Today with Email and fax I ask myself why was this matter deemed to be so important not put into record ...Confirmation of the points raised in the conversation should have been put into writing ? Not very professional was it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomoss Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Sotheby's seem to have a common problem - hard to find good people these days. Incompetence rools [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 OTOH...and I totally agree with the posts above, and felt desperately sorry for the poor woman and her family...she WAS originally only expecting around the £30K the picture was valued at on the Antiques Roadshow, so even a 25% percentage of the sale price (if it had sold for the minimum auction estimate of $150K) would have netted her around what she'd originally expected. As she pointed out, she's now significantly out of pocket, and it's money she didn't have in the first place.What I WAS puzzled about was that the guy who was interviewed by Fiona Bruce (the consultant who apparently set up the Art & Antiques squad at the Met) seemed to say fairly unequivocally that in such cases and with no supporting evidence to prove ownership, the law was, essentially "Finders keepers".I might have had a little more sympathy for the "other" family had it not been for the crass remark about "swimming pools". After that, I hope they never see a penny from any sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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