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 Depends on the age of the kids and whether it includes housing benefits... there must be 11 of them (including Mum, not counting a partner) so thats 33 meals a day - 231 meals a week, then heating, water, the equivilent of rates - clothes - probably doesn't leave as much as one would think at first, too many ponderables

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No insult intended but the fact is that if she's on benefits, and had had 10 children, she wasn't exactly at the front of the queue when brains were given out, was she. Possibly what is needed is not more money but more education on how to budget, how to plan meals, live economically and not waste money/get ripped off (and how to not have children in the first place) - but she probably doesn't even realise that, so she says 'give me more money' and is happy to let the media exploit her.

Personallly I think Jonathan Swift's 'Modest Proposal' had a lot to recommend it. Ten tasty children ...
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[quote user="EuroTrash"]No insult intended but the fact is that if she's on benefits, and had had 10 children, she wasn't exactly at the front of the queue when brains were given out, was she. [/quote]

Not disputing your belief but there is such a thing as 'being in love with being pregnant and giving birth' -presumably this has a scientific name, but I don't know it. A friend of mine had 4 children in quick succession and would have liked more, but was persuaded to stop. She said being pregnant and having a very young baby was addictive, akin to living in a perpetual haze of love and need and it was a powerful drug. She became depressed when she finally stopped after 4 children.

Another friend had 5 children and experienced much the same thing, but her circumstances were different in that she had lost a child of 3 years old due to meningitis, so felt the need to make up for the lost child by having 2 more.

Both women were intelligent, had previously had 'good' jobs, lived in monogamous relationships and were definitely never on benefits.

But then I suppose 4 and 5 kids are not 10, so perhaps you are right.

Sue

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You get medals in France for producing four or more children. If people want ten kids, then its not our right to condemn them as these will be the workers,hopefully, of tomorrow who will be paying for your pension if you have some years to go yet. When I was growing up, there were three families in our road with six and seven children,all living in harmony and three or four children was the norm. £600/week isn't much for that lot considering the cost of food,clothing,rent,taxes etc and probably running a couple of vehicles. Some women just like having babies
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OK some women like having babies, there are all kinds of things that people like doing but that doesn't necessarily give them the right. Sorry but I don't see it as socially responsible, or clever, to produce 10 children when you're not in a position to support them. I'd give medals to the people who have lots of children AND bring them up properly without expecting the state to do it for them.

From the looks of things it's not workers that the future is likely to be short of, it's jobs. Each current benefit claimant producing ten more potential future benefit claimants - because research has shown that this is a recurring pattern - is not what the UK needs. IMHO.
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It is very tempting to start labeling all these 'single mums' with several children the same as often the tabloid newspapers tend to. Have a thought for those like the wives of soldiers who have been killed abroad leaving them with a handful of kids to bring up on their own. Then there are loads of others where the husband or partner has been killed by tragic accidents etc or the guy that leaves the wife and four kids for 'younger model'. Of course there are those that 'abuse' or more to the point understand how to 'work' the system. I think we have to be very careful when we judge some of these people.
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The problem is that if the state doesn't help financially then the kids - who have done absolutely nothing but be born to irresponsible parents (and yes, I mean parents in the plural - these women don't get pregnant via AI) - suffer.  Nobody, no matter what political hue they may be, can want that, surely?
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[quote user="Russethouse"]The report I saw (if its the same person) was that the mother had never done a days paid work in her life - the problem with that is how is she going to instill a good work ethic if she lacks experience ......[/quote]

Like this chap?

 George Osborne's first job was entering the names of people who had died in London into a National Health Service computer.[13] He also briefly worked for Selfridges, re-folding towels.[13] He originally intended to pursue a career in journalism, but failed and instead got a job at Conservative Central Office.[13]

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[quote user="Val_2"]You get medals in France for producing four or more children. If people want ten kids, then its not our right to condemn them as these will be the workers,hopefully, of tomorrow who will be paying for your pension if you have some years to go yet. When I was growing up, there were three families in our road with six and seven children,all living in harmony and three or four children was the norm. £600/week isn't much for that lot considering the cost of food,clothing,rent,taxes etc and probably running a couple of vehicles. Some women just like having babies[/quote]

No one has any problems with large family's, my wife is one of seven, but her Dad bless him; went to work everyday of his life served his country as a stoker in the navy for six years during the war, which eventually killed him with emphysema. He never got any benefits he worked. So some work shy individual getting £600 per week is "normal" as for probably running a couple of cars what kind of a universe do you exist in Val. No Joe it certainly isn't you and you are perfectly right to question this woman.

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She can't manage on £600 pw? Tough! With 10 children a few of them should be in their teens so should earn something from part-time jobs like mine had to.

The benefits system does need rethinking, but NOT by these privileged few who don't know any better what work is .

Even I, who was educated partly at the very left-wing LSE, think that the socialists of those days didn't exactly get it wrong, but didn't have the foresight to see how their idealistic reforms could be abused in the future.

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Russethouse Rookie

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As I said at the beginning we do not know all the facts - does that amount have to cover housing for example ?

But with 10 children I should think she is too busy looking after them  to work or sit waiting for a Giro....

There are prety tough laws about employing the under 16s now so I doubt that school children could make much contribution....:

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1073792224&r.l1=1073858787&r.l2=1073877851&r.l3=1074003265&r.s=sc&type=RESOURCES

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