woolybanana Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Anyone had a problem with their Kindle after it passed through airport security or is it just the DM?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063587/Amazon-Kindle-scrambled-airport-X-ray-machines-say-travellers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I pass through airport security all the time - never had a problem with mine....Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSKS Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote user="woolybanana"]Anyone had a problem with their Kindle after it passed through airport security or is it just the DM?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063587/Amazon-Kindle-scrambled-airport-X-ray-machines-say-travellers.html[/quote]Never had a prob. Could it be foreign machines that come over here and take the jobs of our machines and cause cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I heard the other day that they weigh more when 'books' are added to them so if your over weight for the flight it may be that you have added some books while away. Perhaps they offloaded some of the books for you so it would not weigh so much?It has been revealed that the Amazon e-book reader weighs more when it is fully loaded.When an e-reader is loaded with thousands of books, does it gain any weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"]I heard the other day that they weigh more when 'books' are added to them so if your over weight for the flight it may be that you have added some books while away. Perhaps they offloaded some of the books for you so it would not weigh so much?[/quote]I would expect that the difference in weight between a fully charged battery vs an empty battery would swamp this effect! I'll have to do the calculations now!RegardsPickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiseau Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I took one through as hand baggage, duly scanned. I don't think it had any adverse effect on it.Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Heavier when loaded with books? Is it April 1st already? [blink]I wonder if my camera is heavier when I've taken a load of photos? I'll be taking my Kindle to UK this week so I'll find out 1) whether it gets scrambled 2) whether it causes me to exceed Ryanair's generous hand luggage limit and 3) whether I can connect to public wi-fi networks. How exciting! [:-))][:D][:P][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiseau Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Don't forget, you are not allowed to sit reading it during takeoff or landing!Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 [quote user="sid"]Heavier when loaded with books? Is it April 1st already? [blink][/quote]Bear in mind that we are dealing here with inceases in mass that you will not be able to detect with your kitchen scales ...[quote user="sid"]I wonder if my camera is heavier when I've taken a load of photos?[/quote]Depending on the memory technology, then yes ... but see my first comment ...Ours have been through airport scanners numerous times with no ill-effects.RegardsPickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Loiseau"]Don't forget, you are not allowed to sit reading it during takeoff or landing! Angela[/quote]As a 'flyer' seems pretty sensible to me Loiseau - take-off and landing are the 2 most critical phases of any flight and to be honest you shouldn't be reading, or listening to anything! In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Chiefluvvie"]In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]What? How does anybody know that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Chiefluvvie"][quote user="Loiseau"]Don't forget, you are not allowed to sit reading it during takeoff or landing! Angela[/quote]As a 'flyer' seems pretty sensible to me Loiseau - take-off and landing are the 2 most critical phases of any flight and to be honest you shouldn't be reading, or listening to anything! In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]Quite true for the pilot but what about the passengers? [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="You can call me Betty"][quote user="Chiefluvvie"]In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]What? How does anybody know that?? [/quote]They don't but they know when the most accidents occure and they are in landing, the next highest is on actual takeoff (not the climb out and leveling off).Some airlines have never had an accident http://planecrashinfo.com/noaccident.htmSource - http://planecrashinfo.com/cause.htmPS don't fly with Turkish Airlines, they have had more fatal accidents than any other European airline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Chiefluvvie"][quote user="Loiseau"]Don't forget, you are not allowed to sit reading it during takeoff or landing! Angela[/quote]As a 'flyer' seems pretty sensible to me Loiseau - take-off and landing are the 2 most critical phases of any flight and to be honest you shouldn't be reading, or listening to anything! In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]As a passenger who frequently uses Ryanair, I listen carefully to the safety info on every flight, even after many many flights with them. I then read my Kindle for the rest of the short flight. I don't know where the info on safety when reading comes from. Surely people who regularly sleep on sitting down in a plane should statistically be those less likely to survive? I know a number of people who do just that, most of whom take a sleeping tablet or drink a good quantity of alcohol before settling down; these are all people who regularly travel long distances by air every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="You can call me Betty"][quote user="Chiefluvvie"]In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]What? How does anybody know that?? [/quote]Quite simply Betty from the thorough analysis of previous accidents and the escape / survival (or not!) statistics of passengers and crew on board. It's generally covered in all flight and cabin crew training - if you'd like a copy I'd be happy to provide it for you. In fact your 'survival' rates increase by around 27-30% if your actively listen to safety announcements / briefings and clearly identify your nearest exit and most direct route to it. You also become less of a 'liability' to your fellow passenegrs. Loads of reasearch has been published and is available on this subject.....Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="You can call me Betty"][quote user="Chiefluvvie"] In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote]What? How does anybody know that?? [/quote]They don't but they know when the most accidents occure and they are in landing, the next highest is on actual takeoff (not the climb out and leveling off).Some airlines have never had an accident http://planecrashinfo.com/noaccident.htmSource - http://planecrashinfo.com/cause.htmPS don't fly with Turkish Airlines, they have had more fatal accidents than any other European airline.[/quote]Oh yes they DO know Quillan - actually it's a pretty exact science.....Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="gardengirl "][quote user="Chiefluvvie"][quote user="Loiseau"]Don't forget, you are not allowed to sit reading it during takeoff or landing! Angela[/quote]As a 'flyer' seems pretty sensible to me Loiseau - take-off and landing are the 2 most critical phases of any flight and to be honest you shouldn't be reading, or listening to anything! In an ideal world, for a few minutes at the start and end of each flight, you should really be thinking about your safety and that of those around you. Statistically, those who read during the safety demos and during t/o and landing - stand a much lower chance of survival if there were to be an 'incident'.Chiefluvvie[/quote] As a passenger who frequently uses Ryanair, I listen carefully to the safety info on every flight, even after many many flights with them. I then read my Kindle for the rest of the short flight. I don't know where the info on safety when reading comes from. Surely people who regularly sleep on sitting down in a plane should statistically be those less likely to survive? I know a number of people who do just that, most of whom take a sleeping tablet or drink a good quantity of alcohol before settling down; these are all people who regularly travel long distances by air every week.[/quote]gardengirl - it's not just about reading - it's about not paying attention and not being aware of your surroundings. The people you know who take a sleeping tablet or get tandked up before flying are the very ones most likely to impede your exit in an emergency - don't sit anywhere near them!Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiseau Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Having an ex-stewardess cousin who used to rant about passengers not paying attention, I make a point of always listening to the safety talk, Chief Luvvie.However, I imagined that the ban on reading a Kindle during take-off and landing was due to its electronic nature; the same as they ask you not to use electronic games or computers. Presumably there's a chance that they could interfere with some vital bit of the plane's electronics.If it was just a question of getting everyone's attention for the safety talk, they would stop you reading paperbacks as well, surely?Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Correct - Kindle's are only really an issue during take off and landing if their wifi / 3g is enabled - problem is, the crew can't be sure so it's easier to ask everyone to turn them off.In fact 'some' airlines DO ask passengers to put their books and newspapers down and listen to the safety demo - it's just that a lot of people choose to ignore the request.Generally, it can be the people who fly all the time that are the most 'blasé' about safety issues. It doesn't really matter if you've heard a safety demo 5 times or 500 hundred times - it's the latest time you heard it that counts! Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 SO. let me see if I can get this right....they count the number of people who aren't paying attention to the safety briefing, or they count the number of corpses clutching books or newspapers, or they ask the survivors whether they listened to the safety briefing...or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Sort of Betty - but it's a bit more scientific than that....'They' analyse crash / accident data paying particular attention to where each passenger and crew member was sitting in relation to any 'usable' exit during an evacuation incident - and in fact how far away they were sitting from the safety briefing - given by the crew or via video screens. The position of the screens and the crew is very specific to aircraft type and configuration - even if there is a video screen in each seat.The 'survivors' are indeed interviewed - quite intensively - and ONE of the many things established is whether or not they paid attention to the safety briefing pre-departure. They are also asked if they knew where their nearest exit was, if it was 'usable' (i.e. not obstructed, affected by fire etc).Then we have the crew (just like me!) - their input is of course invaluable as is the extensive data obtained through their recurrent (at the very least annual) crew training and safety / evacuation procedures. Obviously, we're never going to know exactly how anyone will react in an emergency but, what is clear, is that those people who DON'T have their head in a book (or Kindle!) or their ipad plugged in, or are drunk, or have taken a sleeping pill...stand a much better chance of survival if the accident is not entirely catastrophic.There are no civil aviation laws around passengers reading during take-off and landing , but then - there are no laws about putting your hand in a fire - it's just common sense!Hope this helps to clear things up for you Betty.Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I suspect as many die through indecision and misplaced courtesy as through not paying full attention to the brief and I might be convinced by the data if those who did not survive were also able to testify as to how much attention they had paid. As a veteran of probably 1000 scheduled flights or more, plus as many helicopter flights, I seldom pay much more than passing attention to safety briefs but what I do do is choose my seat carefully, make myself aware of where the exits are and in case of an evacuation would have no hesitation in climbing over anything or anyone to get out, I'll make my apologies afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Agreed AnO ! Every man for himself; he who hesitates...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefluvvie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 And...in reality that's exactly what happens - every wo/man for her/himself - no question of any 'misplaced courtesy' - believe me.....Strange thing though isn't it? Whether 'convinced' or not by the data / research - arrogance will generally be the principal killer in any emergency....Chiefluvvie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 [quote user="Chiefluvvie"]arrogance will generally be the principal killer in any emergency....[/quote]Don't know about anyone else but I'm afraid you'll have to explain what you mean by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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