Has Brexit ruined our chances of a new life in France?

[idun]

Of all the posts on here, the very idea that the citizens of the UK are mean is the most offensive. As a people we are in the top ten in the world, 6th I think, unlike LBF!

We give a lot of money to charities, we volunteer a lot and we help strangers, and that is NOT the sign of a selfish narcissists.

As a country we are not mean either, the government gives money to countries all over the globe and all too often not where it should be sent or for the right things, but never the less it is sent. So rightly or wrongly the UK gives, too many countries pledge and then do not pay up!

So NO in general, we are not selfish, or stupid or racist. And there may be a few manif in London at the moment, but has anyone seen the recent manifs in France, the violence and even hospitals being attacked?

And what the future will hold is anyone's guess. Doubt it'll be as bad as when my Dad was 15, WW11 started and whatever it will be, we will not have that.

[idun]

Re children being bullied by teachers, get in touch with the Inspection de l'Education Nationale and do not hesitate to do so. It is disgraceful that this should happen and your child should not have to put up with it.

[woolybanana]

Cajal, I spoke as I saw and found and heard.

And, it is what the cars stand for, or perhaps what the buyers think they stand for that interested me.

That being said, I did not speak to any white van drivers with their flags flying wearing 'Ah wanna get owt' as I assumed what their attitudes were likely to be.

By the way, I think one of those cars is Indian, though built in the UK.

Get real dearie!!

[ebaynut]

N/C wrote,

I'm looking for work... so if Complete France

want to hire me, I am available. Thanks ebaynut for drawing their attention to

me.

 

No probs, Caroline baby, no probs

[:D]

[ebaynut]

W/B wrote,

Hello Chancer, surprised you didnt know what

'dog in a manger' means. But, in this case, one post at least objected to money

from national budgets going, via Europe, to help the new and poorer members of

the EU. (Though they seem to have missed a trick, as the richer the poorer get,

the less need they will have to leave their country and get jobs elsewhere,

meaning England).

 

No, the EU will just take another

poor country into the fold and spend on them, as ‘grants’ which will give the EU

council control over them. ( think Greece here) He who holds the purse strings,

rules the world, and that is the ultimate game plan.

In other words, UK has the means to help which it wont or cant use

itself for its own purposes but is determined to stop others getting any of

it.

 

Other countries must work for their own needs, and  not get given what

generations of the British have had to work hard for.

 

Imagine Farage standing in a giant pot of British money (or the

equivalent) which is sleeping and unused and swinging a large stick at other,

much poorer and even hungry people, to stop them getting a bit.

 

This is the part where socialists always seem to get

confused, they seem to confuse my money with theirs.

Now, if I had been a cartoonist, that would have been a good picture!

 

If its up to your literary standards, I am none too

hopeful. [:P]

 

[ebaynut]

W/B wrote,

 

Cajal, I spoke as I saw and found and heard.

And, it is what the cars stand for, or perhaps what the buyers think they

stand for that interested me.

If that ‘interests’ you, you really need to

get help. It is simple really,  plain jealousy, bit like the French people in

the rural areas, who claim they hate people from Paris, they don't hate them

really, they are jealous of them and what they have. Its not a pretty thing,

but you really need to move on from this feeling of

inadequacy or your health will suffer.  All your anti British

racist ranting will take a toll, get over it, and  thank God that

we still live in a democracy and we the majority wanted out of the EU, so out it

is

 

That being said, I did not speak to any white

van drivers with their flags flying wearing 'Ah wanna get owt' as I assumed what

their attitudes were likely to be.

 

I think you assume too much, if you don't ask

them, how can you know??

By the way, I think one of those cars is Indian, though built in the

UK.

 

Perhaps if you read the post properly, you

would have noticed that Cajal had mentioned that one was Indian.

 

[woolybanana]

I reported my experience with a small sample of elderly and successful people, no more.

What really pisses me off about your post, ebaynut is that you imply that I might be a Socialist - that is deeply insulting, my friend, but I wont report you to management as you did me.

Jealous, no, been there, but made other choices some 20 years ago when I got off the money train to a large extent.

And, by the way, the fat lady ain't finished singing yet on Brexit. And the hard consequences have only just started to come home to roost.

[Rabbie]

It seems that the UK cannot make an application to leave the EU under Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon without the consent of Parliament. So if there is an early General Election where Brexit is an issue it is possible that consent could be denied.

Lets please keep this discussion to the arguments and not sink to making personal remarks. Nobody wants censorship of opinions so lets play nicely

[ebaynut]

W/B wrote,

 

What really pisses me off about your post,

ebaynut is that you imply that I might be a Socialist - that is deeply

insulting, my friend, but I wont report you to management as you did me.

 

I can 100% assure you that I have NEVER EVER

reported anyone on this forum to management, as you call it.   I contacted Forum

admin, as a mod had locked a thread on which you have been abusive, I clearly

stated that I was not bothered about what had been posted, but

thought it unfair of the mod to have locked the post, thus ending the debate, 

If they choose to delete your comments, then that was not down to me. Your poor

choice of words brought that about.

My complaint was about the mods action

in locking the thread.

 

As you know, after further discussion among

the mods, the thread was re-instated, believe me, I do not report members for

what they do,or say.

[PaulT]

Anyway, back to the OPs question - I have posted this elsewhere:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36659900

So if the UK wants access to the single market it will have to allow freedom of access and I think the UK does so you will be OK with a new life in France albeit a little poorer if your money is coming from the UK.

As for the outcome of the referendum which featured heavily on stopping immigration that is now shown to be false and surely it means that the outcome is null and void.

What an absolute shambles.

So the outcome could be we continue to pay in gross and get nothing back and have no say in how the money is spent.

[woolybanana]

Which means that Parliament should be able to throw out the whole farcical nonsense.

[idun]

We really are in opposite camps here, because the only farcial nonsense as far as I concerned is the way the EU is run.

I agree it could be good, as long as it does not morph onto the US of Europe, but that is another universe away from what we currently have.

Incidentally, the EU have recently paid for some sort of work to be done near a friends home in the UK. Some sort of lighting for a memorial, I think, and the council cannot afford to put the lights on......... and that is a great waste of public money, OUR MONEY, because the only money the EU has, is OURS....

Just love it when we are told that the EU 'give' us money ...... still, I do not believe in the tooth fairy and neither can I see flying pigs. We are given nothing.

[Blodwyn]

Funny that you see 'Socialist' as in insult. It's just a point of view.

[Blodwyn]

ebaynut - I hope you look better than your photo - I can't bear to look at it!

[idun]

What?

I think that Trump is a good looking fellow. Like I thought that Palin was when up for the Vice Pres, a very attractive woman....... looks in anyone, have nothing to do with a political stance/point of view. I would hate to think that we elected people on 'looks'.

[Patf]

I don't expect this link will come out  - it's a picture of a fierce Pict, which is possibly Trump's origin (mother from a Western island off Scotland) :

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Caledonian-pict.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts_in_literature_and_popular_culture&h=891&w=617&tbnid=BEFviSOtPFx1OM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=64&docid=O7QNQdM-sedVLM&client=firefox-b&usg=__KYSPibyCW2afy2UJvkE04jGpkQI=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibgrDYlPvNAhVDSRoKHXY9CiIQ9QEITTAI

[BIG MAC]

What has ruined all our chances are the 'Chiselling Classes'

When I was young (so oooo last century) we had public services, streets got swept, gas lights (really) got lit, Police walked the beat, nurses and doctors were respected members of society and to work for the corporation was a job for life.

We, nowadays live our lives vicariously, hanging onto social media and the like as though it's the truth ...we question the Bible (other 'holy books' are available) Yet are creating a modern day 'truth' which just isn't 'true'

Corporate greed has chiselled away at the very fabric of our existence..somewhere in this post it was mentioned that some have 'gold plated' pensions from their employment ...we know that they only exist for the mega wealthy now..but why?

'We can't afford it, the National Debt, we need to be competitive...la la la..It is all ovoid meaty nonsense!

All these terms mean is that the guys at the top want our money to pay top their shareholder chums to keep them being the guys at the top. Get rid of the chisellers, take back what was ours in the first place - not the chisellers..and those days of man on the beat and junior doctor not pilloried can return..but then 'we need to be competitive....Hang on..that guy has got uncomfortably near the truth..QUICK!! who can we demonise or start a war with???

Every time I hear Cameron's now widely adopted 'Our Britain' I would cheerily choke the vacuous idiot spouting it....

So back to the original issue...protest vote...why would we have a protest vote 'to hell with the consequences'? Because, dear readers ..if you haven't fallen asleep yet...because our young, our old, our services dependent, our poor, our working class Northern neighbours have all been Royally shafted by the chisellers and that is the real reason for Brexit. Sadly had our Brexit voting friends really thought about it..one of the steadying hands on the throttles of corporate greed was the EU..It gave us human rights, it gave us health and safety...welcome to the workhouse..you voted for it and the Tories are secretly delighted.

[NickP]

[quote user="BIG MAC"]

We, nowadays live our lives vicariously, hanging onto social media and the like as though it's the truth ...we question the Bible (other 'holy books' are available) Yet are creating a modern day 'truth' which just isn't 'true' .[/quote]

Who are the "we". As far as I'm concerned anybody who questions the bible is probably the only ones who are thinking straight. Never mind when you get independance and are under the rule of commisar Krankie and her fishy friend you can all live in your northern uptopia. Trouble is you still wont be be happy, as you wont have the English to blame for all that goes wrong. [:D][:D]

[powerdesal]

Big Mac, the EU didn't give us human rights or health and safety. Those things existed in British society well before the common market morphed into the political construct that is the EU.

As for the guys at the top wanting our money to pay to their shareholder chums - I and my wife are shareholders in a number of companies, that means we own shares, we get paid dividends on those shares. If the dividends stop or reduce to an unacceptable level we will sell those shares, as no doubt thousands of other shareholders would do, the logical result is a company goes bust, all jobs are lost, is that what you want ????

[Chancer]

Why would thousands and thousands of people selling their shares cause a company to go bust?

 

A change in share price maybe but unless there has been some false accounting uncovered, to my knowledge and logic one or thousands of people selling to one or thousands of buyers will not effect the Profit & Loss and balance sheet.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[EuroTrash]

Yes, the shareholders take the hit and no doubt they are very unhappy bunnies and would probably be happy to see the company that stuffed them, as they see it, go bust out of sheer spite - but then as it always says in the small print, "your investments can go up or down"...

[lindal1000]

My brother explained it to me like this..

The actual value of a piece of paper (be it a £5 note or a share certificate) is nothing, or the cost of the paper itself. Someone tells you it is worth £5 and you believe them and low and behold it buys goods worth £5. Similarly with a company.. which is valued at a million because that's what people believe the shares are worth. This is all fine, until one day someone looks at the £5 note and realises they are just looking at a worthless piece of paper. That is essentially what a recession is..when people loose confidence in the house of cards economy and whole lot falls down. Companies invest and borrow on the perceived value of their shares, so any fall in value decreases the money they have for investment, or even for their day to day business. When too many people start to sell shares the crisis of confidence continues, share values fall..company is devalued, can't borrow money, creditors want loans paid off, no dividend for shareholders..At this point if the company is basically sound some hungry investor from the far east arrives, acquires them for next to nothing and usually asset strips them and closes them down or subsumes them into their big corporate multinational body.

[andyh4]

Chancer

One other point to remember is that one of the major shareholders of a company is often the company itself.

These shares can be used for profit sharing deals, big boss bonuses and payments to the pension fund.

So yes a company could go bust (unable to meet its obligations to those funds) if the share price fell.

[EuroTrash]

Are you sure a company can hold shares in itself? I thought this was illegal, because of exactly what you say.

I know there are "buybacks" but I don't think it's just as simple as a company buying its own shares.

[andyh4]

I don't think it is illegal but I think it does have to be approved at shareholders' meetings. I am sure I have seen such resolutions in the AGM agenda circulated.