mint Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I don't apologise for the following article and I don't expect it to change people's voting intentions but, but, but................one is never entirely without hope[:)][url]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/the-guardian-view-on-our-vote-its-labour[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraytonBoy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think most sound people would welcome more money for the NHS, education and social care etc but instead of stopping there they've tried to appeal to everyone in the hope of getting into government which makes their plans unachievable with Brexit looming. The other problem is that Corbyn and co want people to ignore/forget their long held views on various issues from the EU to security, it's almost as if they've had mass epiphanies overnight. So by all means vote Labour but don't expect the messiah to deliver on his promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardengirl Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Of course there are things I agree with so much in that editorial, but with the thought of Mr Corbyn and his sidekick Mrs/Ms Abbott in charge I can't help thinking of the last Labour messiah - BLiar, and what he led our country in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindal1000 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I agree it's a Hobson's choice but the damage that TM could do with a big majority and no opposition even from within her own party would be unbearable. Labour cannot win an overall majority, but TM could find that she still needs to be accountable..and that for me is safer and a reason to vote Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittlebitfrench Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think it is clear that whoever gets in, the UK is shafted. Labour could have walked this if they had someone electable. It is just a repeat of the American election. At least France was saved by Macron, as it could have been quite easily the same in France.You best start applying for your French citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericd Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Theresa must be desperate. My wife has in the past month received 3 personally addressed messages from Theresa through the post, encouraging her to vote Conservative.The last one was a double printed A4 leaflet also sent by post starting with "Dear Janette" !How much money goes in these whilst in the meantime, hospital operations are being cancelled due to lack of funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraytonBoy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Eric, the messages came from the Conservative Party not the government so the NHS hasn't lost out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Ah Drayton Boy, but the money for the conservative party came from the fat cats like Philip Green who have the money ,rather than they being taxed fairly and the money then being distributed to such public services as the NHS ( should be public not privatised)Therein DB lies the big lie of the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 As opposed to money screwed from workers by the Unions, almost all run by champagne commies interested only in themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 There is a very clear choice in this election, vote for heartless May or caring Corbyn.Here is an excerpt from an article in The Guardian from a young person who has been energised by Corbyn to vote...“I had to go to the jobcentre to apply for universal credit. At the next table was a man with disabilities who was in tears. I don’t know why he had his payments cut, but [seeing the officer] in tears too is a sign that something is very wrong.Pretty much sums it up really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraytonBoy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Beat me to it WB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 WB and DB - your disinterest in fellow humans is rather pathetic. I presume you have put aside sufficient funds for a rainy day for yourselves - it comes to us all eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 And I must point out that french parties get so much money from the french government, in their coffers, by the number of votes cast for them........hence so many small parties, because it is all money in their banques! So in France, it is taking money away from other services.edit, this was on France 2 Journal de 20h a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Well, Doudoune, I am also opposed to political parties receiving money from the taxpayer which means my by-your-Lady pensions (or employers organisations or unions for that matter). Far too much taxpayers cash floating around in France which is not accounted for, including that going into politicians pockets and pension accounts.As for the choice in the UK today, Richard, no, I am not cold and heartless and actually do not like TM, but I believe that Corbyn and his acolytes, Marxist class warriors at heart, are not fit to govern, not fit to look after the needs of those in need, not fit to manage the security of the UK at war, not fit to manage even themselves.That being said, it may be that the reduction in certain benefits has been heartless and badly thought through and will need to be corrected, but only for those who are entitled and in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraytonBoy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 You've obviously not seen my other posts Richard. I fully agree that more money needs to go into vital public services and I don't have a problem with raising taxes, my major issue is over who will be overseeing the extra spending etc. Like WB I have no love for TM and I'm appalled at the poor choice the UK electorate have today but I know JC is not the answer, if that makes me pathetic in your eyes what can I say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Whilst I prefer not to pay huge amounts of tax, I am prepared to do so IF the tax will then be spent on the correct things - health, supporting those in need etc - but I cannot ever see this happening without the extra tax revenues "disappearing" into a pot used for many other, inessential things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 When I hear the self centred comments like WB and DB, who no doubt profited from their free education, rising house prices and fat pensions etc., I think the voting age should be capped at 65 - let the miserable old farts sulk in their own stew, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Now, now Sunflower, we might be old but we are not all miserable and self-centred.We are not all the same, no more than the young are all the same.Some of our years of experience of life, hardship, challenges etc have made us compassionate and understanding individuals[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Education paid for by family, some of Uni by scholarship. Earned my pension by working hard.Definitely not a member of the I wanna piranha generation, thank Bobo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraytonBoy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Started work at 16 and still way off retirement age but I admit I've done well with regard to the housing market over the last twenty years, make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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