mint Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4658732/May-storm-Brexit-talks-boost-ratings.html[/url]OH has said for months that that is the May strategy. He's either more realistic or more cynical than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Well if as suggested it is to improve her ratings since the GE, it can only have been a strategy for 3 weeks rather than months.If however she wants to be the iron lady 2, then yes this could have been a longer term strategy. In which case she is going to totally (excuse the French) ***k up the UK economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 Andy, OH thinks that this has been the plan all along, to not agree to any of the negotiations and walk away.I think that possibly they are saying this now because they have no plan.Either way, do you think, to coin a phrase, no plan is better than a bad plan?[6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh4 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 If there is no plan, then the woman is deranged - something I could not possibly comment on at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 IF there is a plan, it's not obvious what it is?[url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/british-officials-drop-cake-and-eat-it-approach-to-brexit-negotiations[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crack Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 To be really cynical,I think the stratagy is to lose every vote going so that it won't be the conservative party in power when march 2019 comes around,that way it won't be their fault that Brexit didn't work out.To be nasty, I could say look what happens when you have the product of a grammer school in power, but I won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 On the other hand some grammar school pupils learned to spell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 And Normans comment is the sort of bullying that is learned in grammar schools and carried into later life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crack Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 dear oh dear so I miss spelt grammar I didn't lose my sense of humour though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Try 'strategy'.Who are these non-grammar school saints? I can only think of public school chaps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 It could also be worth checking out 'march' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 [quote user="richard51"]And Normans comment is the sort of bullying that is learned in grammar schools and carried into later life.[/quote]Norman's comment was a reply by someone who has spent a long time correcting such mistakes, defending Grammar schools against a snide comment; not a unwarranted bullying attack on someone weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajal Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 [quote user="NormanH"][quote user="richard51"]And Normans comment is the sort of bullying that is learned in grammar schools and carried into later life.[/quote]Norman's comment was a reply by someone who has spent a long time correcting such mistakes, defending Grammar schools against a snide comment; not a unwarranted bullying attack on someone weaker.[/quote]Nice one NormanH! Love it. Stick the boot in my son.Well I would say that wouldn't I being the 'sinister' ' yob' that I've been labelled of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 burt nevertheless bullying - check out definition.I*'m sure you understand what QED means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Pointing out errors is not bullying."Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others.'There was none of those in my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/i/t/Bullying-and-harassment-in-the-workplace-a-guide-for-managers-and-employers.pdfThird bullet point. My PhD is in a scientific subject so minor technicalities of writing are of little import to me - it's a matter of getting the meaning across. I got a 1 in GCE English (1-9 then) and that has stood me in reasonable stead. Grammar was only a minor component of the English taught to me in school but I must admit it was a Technical High School rather than a grammar.There is no proof whatsoever that grammar schools improve matters. Anybody with ability will be able to do OK/well in a comprehensive setting provided the decent teachers aren't creamed off by public schools. They will also be more rounded in terms of social behaviour and attitudes which I think was the point made before the intervention of Norman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 As an additional comment, isn't it interesting how other "people" jump on the bandwagon in this thread and "stick the boot in"."People" in this context are those who won't defend the victim but ally with the bully - worse IMHumbleO.Classic behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroTrash Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Play nicely kiddies.Personally, I respect most of all those who are intelligent and good at what at they do, and whose other skills eg literacy are also good as well - "le petit plus".Second to that, I respect those who are equally intelligent and good at what they do.That's not sticking the boot in, it's my reaction. I can't be doing with chips on shoulders. Poor literacy is not something to be proud of and it's not something to be particularly ashamed of. Good literacy is a quality worth having, but a person either has it or doesn't have it, like a pretty face, good social skills, good business sense, a good scientific brain, a kind heart and a generous nature, etc. None of us is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 "a kind heart and a generous nature".....yes, the most important qualities of all and I have been lucky enough to have had many of these people in my life[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebaynut Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 You have to laugh, when a forum member quite rightly points out the irony of a post berating grammar schools, containing numerous spelling mistakes, Richard51 deems this to be bullying.They however think its funny to call a member of HM government a slug, and pouring salt on them is somehow funny??Liberalism is clearly a mental disorder. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Again from ebaynut a demonstration of ganging up with the bully. Passing bullying over as just playground stuff is also classic behaviour.Have you actually read the acas document that I referred to? Bullying is not only about physical violence. Norman's post was certainly meant to ridicule and demean and not merely to point out a grammatical mistake. That is a form of bullying which is in my experience prevalent in grammar/public school types though I admit I am generalising.On the other hand physical bullying is probably more prevalent in other schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I find it rather bizarre when liberalism, whatever one's interpretation of it is, is described as a mental disorder.I am only one person.I don't think that Mexico will pay for a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 richard, we were talking about spelling, not the rise of the Fourth Reich.Given the availability of spell checkers, most poor spellers do not show or do not need to show. However, at the level of the PhD, poor spelling could only be described as carelessness and therefore not acceptable.As to bullying, no, don't agree; whatever OU type definition you have come up with does not hold water. Being a stickler for spelling or sensible grammar is not bullying.However, spellings do change(evolve) and that is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 A bit of context:crack posted"To be nasty, I could say look what happens when you have the product of a grammer school in power, but I won't"so the intention was to belittle Mrs. May for the fact that she had been to Grammar school, not,as the previous PM, Eton.I found that snobbish and so pointed out indirectly the irony of making a criticism of her education while at the same time making a spelling mistake.I would not normally pick those up (I make typos as anyone can see if you bother to trawl through my 9000+ posts), but I did in this case because of the context I have just mentioned.Is that bullying? I don't think so since I am not in a position of power over other posters. It might be ridicule, but that is just a rhetorical device, and it is invited by the very snobbery of the post I reacted to.(By the way the thread up to that point had nothing to do with Grammar schools, despite the assertion that"Anybody with ability will be able to do OK/well in a comprehensive setting provided the decent teachers aren't creamed off by public schools. They will also be more rounded in terms of social behaviour and attitudes which I think was the point made before the intervention of Norman! "No it wasn't but crack's post brought up the issue by implying that the products of Grammar school education are less worthy than those of Public Schools.Does spelling matter? Not if accuracy doesn't either. " minor technicalities of writing are of little import to me" is your value judgement in this area, but I presume you would be less tolerant of approximations in numbers and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I actually got the complete opposite impression about the Crack post. There is no reference to public schools at all and hence I see no belittling of Maggie May from that point of view. I have no previous knowledge of Cracks politics. Your response, in that light, was in my opinion not appropriate. In terms of being tolerant of approximations - well approximation is ubiquitous in numbers, statistics and science in general. One has to, however, be accurate in quantifying the tolerance or approximation of whatever.To my knowledge ACAS is not connected to the OU. If the OU reference was a snide comment to me then you are way off the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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