idun Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I lived in my french village for 25 years. I was good friends with about 12 french ladies, some very very close friends, others a little less so, but still good friends never the less.Of these 12, I have recently lost yet another one. Of the 12, five are now dead. All younger than me, and one was in her forties when cancer took her.In fact, all died of cancers. All were locals, and we lived in a village that didn't suffer pollution, in fact on the face of it it would appear to a healthy place to live.I know that in the region there are health problems, ie Chamonix and Ugine, but not one would imagine, chez moi.The friend who died in her forties often used to taquine me about my eating habits, tell me I shouldn't eat this or that or the other, unhealthy etc. And yet she died getting on for 20 years ago, and I am still here.In fact there were two of them who used to make these little remarks and this other friend has recently died.And it is not just these 'friends', I was on good terms with a few other ladies, not close enough to eat together, but to chat, and quite a few of them have passed too. I have friends in England, but thus far, have only lost one close one.It has all made me reflect on this. What with the renowned french health service, apparently, and french people eating healthily etc, apparently and some of these ladies were fit, skiing and walking and running. And all my french friends are much thinner than me, Idun who loves cooking and more importantly, eating it too. I haven't been on my computer for a while now. As I said, a time for reflection. edit: forgot to mention that these ladies were in their late fifties to mid sixties........ as my Dad would have said, it is 'no age'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 There isn't a lot of difference between Western European countries in terms of life expectancy, according to this table:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_by_Country_(2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Yes, I realise that, but, for me to lose 5 french female friends and four fairly recently on a regular basis, a lot, out of the few that are close to me, feels very strange and slightly disturbing.IF I was in my eighties, 90's, even late seventies, maybe I would feel differently about it,but I am only in my late 60's. And in general people have been living longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I know of several students of mine, or of establishments at which I taught in the UK who have died, and they were much younger than me.Sometimes it is an accident, but most were from disease.I have spent a total of several months in the regional Cancer centre here in France, and one of the most unsettling features is seeing the number of other patients clearly much younger than me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckett Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I suppose you get to an age where a mixture of inevitability and coincidence starts operating in earnest. But your friends sound quite young for that. I was "fortunate" - ironic - that I lost a couple of school friends, one to suicide while still at school, one shortly afterwards because of diabetes . It makes you aware of the frailty of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Zoff Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It just shows how different we are individually. Older people generally more at risk of Covid but some managing to survive it; young, apparently fit people dying for no obvious reason.Two family friends, one aged 60 who died within months of being diagnosed with cancer; the other diagnosed over 40 years ago with similar disease and has only recently succumbed in late 80s. Outwardly, they seemed very similar characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 My ex- wife died unexpectedly about three months ago so have spent much time helping the kids through it. Though we had not been together for thirty odd years it was still a shock and a reminder of the shortness and even suddenness of life.My school sometimes posts the demise of contemporaries which is another shock as one only remebers them in their youthful prime.Norman made a comment some time ago when I asked about trees that might be planted in my new garden, to the effect that Imwas too old to see them grow. It got me thinking. But I planted the trees anyway.Each passing leaves a a little gap however small in those remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noisette Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 A subject very close to my heart at the moment. Last year, four of my closest friends were diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Two now dead, two dying. All in their early sixties. There's something extremely dodgy going on here in France. I've tried to correlate facts, statistics, habits etc. but obviously four does not make for a comprehensive study. Perhaps instead of spending billions on foreign aid and ****** speed traps, the French government could look into research, prevention and cure of this particular scourge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Today is the beginning or meteorological autumn. Most of us are just starting to look at our own autumn. I guess this is a time of reflection for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 For Noisettehttp://www.cancerindex.org/clinks5f.htmI have had several episodes of Cancer, but I am not against 'speed traps' which can save lives, not against foreign aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 for WB A reflection in a few poems 1)That time of year thou mayst in me behold When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang Upon those boughs which shake against the cold, Bare ruin'd choirs, where late the sweet birds sang. In me thou see'st the twilight of such day As after sunset fadeth in the west, Which by and by black night doth take away, Death's second self, that seals up all in rest. In me thou see'st the glowing of such fire That on the ashes of his youth doth lie, As the death-bed whereon it must expire, Consum'd with that which it was nourish'd by. This thou perceiv'st, which makes thy love more strong, To love that well which thou must leave ere long2) Brief Encounter Cranesleave overheadRipefruit falls and rots untouched.Promiseunfulfilled.Autumnis the station where you change for death.(A disguished poet) 3) Soonwe will plunge into deathly cold darkness Farewell to thebrightness of Summer's brief life!Already I hear the funerealthud-fall Of firewood resounding on cobble-stone yards.AllWinter will penetrate my being: RageHatred, shivering, horror,hard forced-labour,And just like the Sun in its cold polarHellMy heart will be only a red block of iceTremblingI listen as each log is falling Building a Scaffold makes nomore muted a soundMy Spirit is one with the Tower thatyieldsTothe blows of the battering-ram, tireless andheavy.Thismonotonous chopping haslulled me; I feelThatthey’re hurriedly nailing a coffin somewhere.For whom? Summerwas yesterday -- Now Autumn is here!This mysterious sound tollslike a farewell.III love the greenish glintin your wide open eyes-- Such sweet beauty, but today alltastes bitter, And nothing , your love, the bedroom or the hearthMeansas much (tome?)asthe radiant sun on the sea.Yet Love me, dear heart!Be just like a motherThough I'm ungrateful, though I'm sowicked ;Lover or Sister, be the fleeting soft moment Of aglorious Autumn or the Sun as it sets.It won't take long!The hungry tomb is waiting!Let me taste, my forehead resting onyour kneesAs I regret the white-hot heat of Summer, Thesweetness in the yellow rays of Autumn.(My translation of Baudelaire, read by me here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LzvJsMYlwJ4aEA0vWrG8Xf6QAGira1sW/view?usp=sharing Chantd'automneIBientôt nous plongerons dans les froides ténèbres;Adieu,vive clarté de nos étés trop courts!J'entends déjà tomberavec des chocs funèbresLe bois retentissant sur le pavé descours.Toutl'hiver va rentrer dans mon être: colère,Haine, frissons,horreur, labeur dur et forcé,Et, comme le soleil dans sonenfer polaire,Mon coeur ne sera plus qu'un bloc rouge et glacé.J'écouteen frémissant chaque bûche qui tombeL'échafaud qu'on bâtitn'a pas d'écho plus sourd.Mon esprit est pareil à la tour quisuccombeSous les coups du bélier infatigable et lourd.IIme semble, bercé par ce choc monotone,Qu'on cloue en grandehâte un cercueil quelque part.Pour qui? — C'était hierl'été; voici l'automne!Ce bruit mystérieux sonne comme undépart.IIJ'aimede vos longs yeux la lumière verdâtre,Douce beauté, maistout aujourd'hui m'est amer,Et rien, ni votre amour, ni leboudoir, ni l'âtre,Ne me vaut le soleil rayonnant sur la mer.Etpourtant aimez-moi, tendre coeur! soyez mère,Même pour uningrat, même pour un méchant;Amante ou soeur, soyez ladouceur éphémèreD'un glorieux automne ou d'un soleilcouchant.Courtetâche! La tombe attend; elle est avide!Ah! laissez-moi, monfront posé sur vos genoux,Goûter, en regrettant l'été blancet torride,De l'arrière-saison le rayon jaune et doux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Oh, Norman, if the subject wasn't so essentially depressing, I would say that I have "enjoyed" both your translation and your reading. But, I find this particular poem frightening and not something to be read when you are feeling vulnerable.I hear both the matter-of-factness and the echoes of inevitability in your voice. I am a coward; I cannot face all this just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Thank you, Norman, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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