mint Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Thank you for the links. I have now caught up with them. I am quite converted to Victoria and I must admit I'd never heard of him until you introduced us!The Vatican does have wonderful music and I have been lucky enough to have heard music there a couple of times. I think that's one of the things that have ensured the survival of the Roman Church....if only IMHO![:$]I think the speakers are better because then I can discuss the music with OH or whoever else I might be listening with. But thanks for the suggestion of the headphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 The wonderful TenebraeResponsories for the Office of Holy Week areherehttp://www.youtube.com/user/musicaergosum#p/c/E9EA654CB15BF9FC/0/O54z-k1aoPMThelinks should play one after the other.I am sure you will know thetexts, butI will copy them as the sequence isone of the most moving dramas I knowbeforethePassions of Bach.Amicus meus osculi me tradiditsigno:Quem osculatus fuero, ipse est, tenete eum:hoc malumfecit signum,qui per osculum adimplevit homicidium. Infelix praetermisit pretium sanguinis,et in fine laqueo sesuspendit.Bonum erat illi,si natus non fuisset homo ille.The sign by which my friendbetrayed me was a kiss:The one I kiss, he is your man; hold himfast.This was the evil sign he gave,and through a kiss murderhe wrought. The wretch returned the price of blood,and in the end hehanged himself.It would have been good for that man,had he never been born.Iudas mercator pessimus osculopetiit Dominum:ille ut agnus innocens non negavit Iudae osculum: Denariorum numero Christum Iudaeis tradidit.Melius illi erat, si natus non fuisset.Judas, that dealer in wickedness,sought out the Lord with a kiss,and He, like an innocent lamb,did not refuse Judas’ kiss: For a handful of coins he delivered Christ up to the Jews.It would have been better for him, had he never been born.Unus ex discipulis meis tradetme hodie:Vae illi per quem tradar ego: Melius illi erat, si natus non fuisset.Qui intingit mecum manum in paropside,hic me traditurus est inmanus peccatorum.This day shall one of my disciplesbetray me.Woe to him by whom I am betrayed. It would have been better for him, had he never been born.He who dips his hand into the bowl with mewill deliver me intothe hands of sinners.Eramquasi agnus innocens:ductus sum ad immolandum, etnesciebam:consilium fecerunt inimici mei adversum me, dicentes: Venite, mittamus lignum in panem eius,et eradamus eum deterra viventium.Omnes inimici mei adversum me cogitabant mala mihi:verbuminiquum mandaverunt adversum me, dicentes:I was like an innocent lamb. Iwas led to sacrifice, and did not know.My enemies plotted againstme, saying: Come, let us put wood into his bread,and drive him from theland of the living.All my enemies devised evil against me.Cruel words they spokeagainst me, saying:Una hora non potuistis vigilaremecum,qui exhortabamini mori pro me? Vel Iudam non videtis, quomodo non dormit,sed festinattradere me Iudaeis?Quid dormitis? Surgite et orate,ne intretis in tentationem.Couldyou not keep watch with me one hour,you who declared you woulddie for me? Or do you not see that Judas does not sleep,but hastens todeliver me into the hands of the Jews?Why do you sleep? Arise and praythat you may not be put to thetest.Seniores populi consiliumfecerunt, ut Iesum dolo tenerent, et occiderent:cum gladiis etfustibus exierunt tamquam ad latronem.Collegerunt pontifices et pharisaei concilium.Theelders of the people plotted together to have Jesus arrested by some trick, and to put him todeath:with swords and cudgels they went out as if against arobber.The priests and pharisees conferred together.Tamquam ad latronemexistiscum gladiis et fustibus comprehendere me: Quotidie apud vos eram in templo docens,et non metenuistis: et ecce,flagellatum ducitis ad crucifigendum.Cumque iniecissent manus in Iesum, et tenuissent eum, dixitad eos: Asif against a robberyou have come out with swords and cudgels toseize me. Day after day I was with you teaching in the templeand you didnot arrest me, but nowyou scourge me and lead me away to deathupon the cross.And when they had laid hands upon Jesus,and had arrested him,he said to them:Tenebraefactae sunt, dum crucifixissent Iesum Iudaei:et circa horam nonamexclamavit Iesus voce magna: Deus meus, ut quid me dereliquisti? Et inclinato capite, emisit spiritum.Exclamans Iesus voce magna ait:Pater, in manus tuascommendo spiritum meum.Therewas darkness when the Jews crucified Jesus,and about the ninthhour Jesus cried out aloud:My God, why have you forsaken me? And having bowed down his head, hebreathed his last.Crying out aloud Jesus said:Father,into your hands I commit my soul.Animammeam dilectam tradidi in manus iniquorum,et facta est mihihaereditas mea, sicut leo in silva:dedit contra me vocesadversarius meus,Congregamini, et properate ad devorandumillum:posuerunt me in deserto solitudinis,et luxit super meomnis terra:Quia non est inventus qui me agnosceret, et faceret bene.Insurrexerunt in me viri absque misericordia,et nonpepercerunt animae meae.The life that I held dear I put into the hands of theunrighteous,and my inheritance has become for me like a lion inthe forest.My enemy spoke out against me,Come, gathertogether and hasten to devour him.They placed me in a wastelandof desolation,and all the earth mourned for me.For there was no one to acknowledge me or give me help.Men rose up against me without mercyand spared not my life.Tradideruntme in manus impiorum,et inter iniquos proiecerunt me,et nonpepercerunt animae meae:congregati sunt adversum me fortes:Et sicut gigantes steterunt contra me.Alieni insurrexerunt adversum me,et fortes quaesieruntanimam meam.They delivered me into the hands of the ungodlyand cast me amongthe unjustand spared not my life.The mighty gathered againstme,and like giants they stood against me.Strangers rose up against me,and the mighty sought my life.Iesumtradidit impius summis principibus sacerdotum,et senioribuspopuli:Petrus autem sequebatur eum a longe, ut videret finem.Adduxerunt autem eum ad Caipham principemsacerdotum, ubiscribae et pharisaei convenerant.The ungodly man betrayed Jesus to the chief priestsand the eldersof the people:but Peter followed him at a distance, to see how it would end.They led him to Caiphas, the chiefpriest, where the scribesand pharisees were gathered together.Caligaveruntoculi mei a fletu meo:quia elongatus est a me, qui consolabaturme:Videte, omnes populi,si est dolor similis sicut dolor meus.O vos omnes, qui transitis per viam, attendite et videte.My eyes were blind with weeping;for he that consoled me is farfrom me.Consider, all you people,if there is any sorrow like my sorrow.All you who pass along this way, takeheed and consider.Recessitpastor noster, fons aquae vivae,ad cuius transitum sol obscuratusest:Nam et ille captus est,qui captivum tenebat primumhominem:hodie portas mortis et seras pariter Salvator nosterdisrupit.Destruxit quidem claustra inferni,et subvertit potentiasdiaboli.Our shepherd, the fount of living water, is gone,at his passingthe sun grew dark:For even he is taken,who captive held the first of men.Todayour Saviour has burst alike the gates and bolts of death.The bounds of Hell he has destroyedand overthrown the devil’spowerO vosomnes, qui transitis per viam, attendite, et videtesi est dolor similis sicut dolor meus.Attendite universi populi, et videte dolorem meum.All you who pass along this way, take heed and considerif there is any sorrow like my sorrow.Take heed, all you people, andconsider my sorrow.Eccequomodo moritur iustus, et nemo percipit corde:et viri iustitolluntur, et nemo considerat:a facie iniquitatis sublatus estiustus:et erit in pace memoria eius.Tamquam agnus coram tondente se obmutuit, et nonaperuit ossuum: de angustia, et de iudicio sublatus est.Behold how the just man dies, and no one feels for him:the justare done away with, and no one cares:from the face of iniquity isthe just man taken,and his memory shall be in peace.Like a lamb before the shearer he was silent and openednot hismouth. From anguish and from judgement was he taken.Astiteruntreges terrae,et principes convenerunt in unum,adversus Dominum, et adversus Christum eius.Quare fremuerunt gentes,et populi meditati sunt inania?The kings of the earth rose up,and the princes assembled togetheragainst the Lord, and against HisChrist.Why have the nations given vent totheir rage,and why have the people set their hearts on emptythoughts?Aestimatussum cum descendentibus in lacum:Factus sum sicut homosine adiutorio, inter mortuos liber.Posuerunt me in lacu inferiori,in tenebrosis, et in umbramortis.I am counted among them that go down into the pit:I have become like a manwithout help, free among the dead.They placed me in the pit of Hell,in darkness, and in theshadow of death.SepultoDomino, signatum est monumentum,volventes lapidem ad ostiummonumenti:Ponentes milites, qui custodirent illum.Accedentes principes sacerdotum ad Pilatum,petierunt illum.When the Lord was buried, they sealed his tomb,rolling a rockbefore the entrance to the tomb:setting soldiers to guard it.The chief priests came to Pilateandpetitioned him.My personalfavourite recording of this sequence is by WestminsterCathedral Choir, and extracts can be heard from eachtrack on this site http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/tw.asp?w=W6886(just click on thelittle notes by the track youwish to hear.)The passion in this performance is incandescent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 Wonderful indeed, Norman. Made the hairs stand at the back of my neck. Have been reading about Victoria and found the Pelestrina connection exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 Came back from Keep Fit this evening and caught part of the most wonderful programme on the BBC about Rostropovich. He was such a very brave and moral person besides being a wonderful musician. It's a great pity you can't get BBC TV....[:(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 [quote user="sweet 17"]Came back from Keep Fit this evening and caught part of the most wonderful programme on the BBC about Rostropovich. He was such a very brave and moral person besides being a wonderful musician. It's a great pity you can't get BBC TV....[:(][/quote]I can watch on iPlayer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 A very 'Spanish' piece of Bach [:)]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0_tqChAd9M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 Norman, thanks for the clip. It's not a piece that I know.BTW, did you watch the Rostropovich programme? It brought tears to my eyes.When I mangled the fourth finger of my right hand earlier this year, I played Bach for weeks, just the bottom line, until I got the dressing small enough to enable me to use both hands again.Actually, I got to quite like just playing with my left hand! Then, after my finger healed, I found I really knew the music very well once I started using both hands again.It always fascinates to watch Brendel, with all his fingers taped. Don't know how he could feel the keys, but he's one of my favourites and I have been to several of his concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Norman, if you are there now, there's a programme on French radio on early music. Victoria and Peslestrina's names have just been mentioned.Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 I know it's not "listening" as such but I use this site to follow the concerts that people I know play in. Thought you might find something interesting to read about....http://www.classicalsource.com/db_control/db_viewall_concert.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Thanks. I will send that link to friends who live within reach of some of those events... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Norman, I couldn't send this post as the site was "down" but I have been meaning to tell you that yesterday evening, when I got home (late alas) from Keep Fit, there was a programme on BBC 4 about......VICTORIA!I caught the last parts of the programme and I thought how much you'd enjoy it. So, here is my post to let you know to stand by your iPlayer!I could have sent you a PM but this is so brilliant that I thought other people on the Forum might also benefit.And to think that there was this massive gap in my musical knowledge that, but for you, I would not have plugged![:D]Happy Watching and Listening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Norman, I'm really keen that you don't miss "God's Composer" because I believe you'd really enjoy it.Can you please come on and tell me if you have read my message or, alternatively, that you already know about the programme?Anyone else living near Norman, can you please bang on his barrel and tell him about this post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I replied last night with several links to other music, but that post seems to have disappeared.Must be one of Clair's hiccoughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 I hadn't realised that when Clair hiccoughs, the Forum catches indigestion.But, I am glad that you got my message. I was going to say that you have me converted to Victoria's music but, perhaps, it might be truer to say that Victoria (his having been a priest and all) has indeed converted me!Sublime and enduring............A neighbour persuaded me to accompany her to an Advent carol service this evening but I must say that the music is entirely forgettable. No wonder, stray as I might, I always do go back to Rome.If you get the chance, Norman, the Vatican is a MUST for any music lover.Regards [kiss]Edit: Gemonimo, if you should chance to read this, I was told there was definitely NO carol service at the church. This wasn't a Hark the Herald Angels Sing sort of service: it was all informal and hymns that are obscure and not known to me. So, in case you're wondering, you ain't missed nothin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Mario Monti will be busy on friday in Milano but will have time to take in the opening of the La scala season.http://www.teatroallascala.org/en/season/opera-ballet/2011-2012/don-giovanni.htmlLive in direct on Arte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Something for Christams, Normanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izocuWYYxfk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Something for Christmas, Normanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izocuWYYxfk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Thank you..And for you one of the links lost when I replied to your post about Victoria..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuyi5FjC7A&feature=plcp&context=C24ed9UDOEgsToPDskLrrIGrqaI0jlvCxXRuBNUOand as every year over my tin of Ravioli..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVeluHdzcBY&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Handel for me, also as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 This evening, Radio 3, live from Festival Hall, Renee Fleming singing 4 last songs. Do NOT miss! If you are not spellbound, I will manger mon chapeau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 A request please, Norman, STP.Can you find me a better recording of L'enfance du Christ than the one I gave you a couple of posts ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I rather liked that version in fact.If you want the whole work I like John Eliot Gardinerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGHeo-eSQ7A&feature=related(that is only the opening, but it shows the CD cover so you can get the details) He takes the 'Farewell much slower than most, which gives the harmony time to breathe..http://www.deezer.com/music/john-eliot-gardiner/berlioz-l-enfance-du-christ-259950you can listen to the whole piece from that link...There is also Colin Davis's versionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJ77e-3JK8&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Britten will be the musique du jour chez the Coops on Sunday in spite of being a couple of raging atheists. I was in the school choir and we did this for the Christmas concert a couple of times. Absolutely mega stuff to sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thank you. I am very excited that the Britten Sinfonia now has its own choir and I see from their website that they are touring with this work. Amsterdam, Norfolk and somewhere else that I can't remember.Will be following closely to see what else they are going to do. If you looked at the site, you can hear the interviews about the new choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, folk. Just going to give you the website when the neighbour called.Here it is: www.brittensinfonia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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