Funny website about France...?

[Dick Smith]

Hang on, Ray - what happened to the First Amendment?

[RayB]

[quote]Hang on, Ray - what happened to the First Amendment?[/quote]

**Hang on, Ray - what happened to the First Amendment?**

As far as I know, you aren't covered under it. I am and choose to discuss or not discuss anything I want. A forum is a place where one can express opinions, but nowhere is it mandatory to explain it to anyone. If either of us doesn't like the others opinion, then so be it. This is my opinion and I'm through.

[Tresco]

....tyranical monsters who murder their own people on a whim and dominate the nations with fear and radical religons. You don't think they are a threat to you . . . . we do. Eight and a half million Iraqi voters agreed with us. (RayB)

The voters agreed with who, about what? I'm confused by that statement, really.

The website referred to before f**kfrance, It wouldn't surprise me if it was set up after Frances non cooperation with the countries involved in the invasion/occupation of Iraq - does anyone know? I know that there are lots of similar sites for other countries now, but i'm fairly sure the france one was the first.

[RayB]

[quote]....tyranical monsters who murder their own people on a whim and dominate the nations with fear and radical religons. You don't think they are a threat to you . . . . we do. Eight and a half million I...[/quote]

**The website referred to before f**kfrance, It wouldn't surprise me if it was set up after Frances non cooperation with the countries involved in the invasion/occupation of Iraq - does anyone know? I know that there are lots of similar sites for other countries now, but i'm fairly sure the france one was the first.**

I wouldn't be a bit surprised, and as I said before, it is an insulting, disgusting and ignorant website. There is no justification for it whatsoever.

[Viv]

I would think it highly probable that the website was set up in responce to France's stance at the start of the Iraq conflict.

I remember reading somewhere how Americans were buying French wine so that they could boycott France by publically pouring it away in the streets. The irony of buying French goods to then just throw them away made me chuckle.

[RayB]

[quote]....tyranical monsters who murder their own people on a whim and dominate the nations with fear and radical religons. You don't think they are a threat to you . . . . we do. Eight and a half million I...[/quote]

**The voters agreed with who, about what? I'm confused by that statement, really.**

Sorry, Tresco, I didn't answer your question. Let me put what I said another way. The fact that so many Iraqis overcame their fears in order to participate in a free election for people to represent them is evidence in my mind. THEY chose the candidates and THEY voted for their choice. They had never been able to do that before. That is what democracy and Freedom is all about. The freedom to choose and THEY chose to do it.

BTW - I have just added some names to the 'Ignore' feature of the forum. Good tool. Obviously you aren't one of them. You know the respect and admiration I have for you.

[Miki]

"...BTW - I have just added some names to the 'Ignore' feature of the forum"

Hope you haven't accidentally put some "fellow Americans" in there.

You see that's the difference, you want to simply give opinions and not be involved in discussions(unless of course it suits)how very "forum" that is ! And so very American like, just choose to ignore those that do not agree with your posts. How democratic is that, or is that the democracy that the US of A want to put on the world ? What a fine world it would be, if we all thought like good old America, just ignore ALL those that we don't really like or don't agree with and make them see my way of things by.........invading perhaps !!

My sincere apologies to those Americans, (inc those on here of course)whose intelligence and thinking remains their own and have not simply been indoctrinated in to the American Way of thinking and can make up their minds and offer their own well received and alternative opinions.

Still whatever Ray thinks, it won't put me off Dylan !!

[Tresco]

I hope you can see where my confusion came from - I accept that the majority of Iraqi people will be happy that Saddam is gone, but they didn't vote to get rid of the tyrant (who happened to be of the secular variety). Since the invasion approx. 100,000 Iraqi people have died and approaching 2,000 American troops. This alone leaves me wondering if the deposition of Sadam has not led to a greater 'wrong' 'than existed before

 The fact that so many Iraqis overcame their fears in order to participate in a free election for people to represent them is evidence in my mind. THEY chose the candidates and THEY voted for their choice. They had never been able to do that before. That is what democracy and Freedom is all about. The freedom to choose and THEY chose to do it.

I have a bit of trouble following the politics of Iraqs occupation, but I do regularly try to follow what is happening there. I have a very strong impression that the occupation itself is inimical to democracy and indeed freedom.

I believe the people who voted did so in reasonable faith that the process would lead rapidly to withdrawal of the occupying forces. I have read plenty of accounts from Iraqis during the pre and post January election period this year, many of those accounts didn't have that feeling of 'freedom to choose'. If you are interested I will try and root them out for you, and post the links. Obviously these are just individuals - some ordinary Iraqis, and others were 'commentators'. I can say I remember several throwaway comments about the present govt being a 'Vichy' set up.

There's a referendum coming up on the proposed constitution of Iraq, yet the Armed forces are at present saying that in 4 sectors of Iraq it is not safe enough to poll. Unfortunately the 4 sectors include the capital, Baghdad, and contain something approaching half the 'voting' population.

I'ts a sorry mess. I have been wondering what the definition of civil war is, i'll have to look that up now, but I can't see how a country that is occupied by foreign powers, with a government supported by and supporting those powers, and at the same time being on the brink of civil war, can have free and fair elections or votes of any kind.

So that may leave us in drastic disagreement, (again!). Got me thinking about it though, which is good. I will be happy to hear other views on this, until the what has this got to do with France Brigade come charging in.

What does the ignore button do Ray, I have never tried that.

 

 

 

[Viv]

Were the French Resistance 'insurgents'?

I saw a cracking tee shirt the other day to the effect that the 'native' Americans had been fighting terrorisn for 400 years.

It seems to me that many Iraqis no longer require what they see as an occupying force whether American or British or whatever in their land.

I would also like to know what percentage of Iraqi vote was cast by Iraqis that were actually in Iraq and not dotted all over the world.

[RayB]

[quote]I hope you can see where my confusion came from - I accept that the majority of Iraqi people will be happy that Saddam is gone, but they didn't vote to get rid of the tyrant (who happened to be of t...[/quote]

**What does the ignore button do Ray, I have never tried that.**

It is in your Control Panel.

[Viv]

If only life could have an ignore button!

Don't worry Ray, I won't be bothering  you - I like a GOOD debate!

[Miki]

[quote]If only life could have an ignore button! Don't worry Ray, I won't be bothering you - I like a GOOD debate![/quote]

What, debate on a forum, whatever next viva

[Viv]

I'm sorry Miki but I'm just not prepared to discuss it!

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door and my Private Messages are not blocked!"

[The Riff-Raff Element]

[quote]I'm sorry Miki but I'm just not prepared to discuss it! "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homel...[/quote]

Hang on - wasn't the Statue of Liberty a gift from the French to the people of the US in celebration of 100 years of freedom from the yoke of colonial oppression? Or did I dream that? If it was, then in return for this the French appear to have received Eurodisney. In which case I'm slightly surprised that relations aren't worse than they already are. There are plenty of hate sites around - this is no worse than many. The best way to deal with the blood rush is to try to remember that there is room in your heart for all God's people, even slavering loonies and Ipswich Town supporters. Pip Pip.

[Russethouse]

>>>Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.<<<

I particularly remembered that line while watching the Katrina coverage..........

[pinkfluff<P>Big Wet Drops and Lots of Them, Are a Sure Sign of Rain!<P>]

I would not take the bait Ray its not worth it in fact if there was a website F*** USA.com they might be on there posting racial remarks ----No different than the folks on the FF.com

[SaligoBay]

if there was a website F*** USA.com they might be on there posting racial remarks

Doubt it, it's a porn site!   And no, I'm not posting the URL, you can find it yourselves! 

I still really don't see the problem.  So some people don't like France.  Doh!

Maybe some of you could actually prove your intellectual and moral superiority by refuting some of their attacks on France?   It might use your brain cells rather than your Mr/Mrs Angry tape.  

I still think many of you are just piqued that there are people who know more about France than you do. 

[The Riff-Raff Element]

[quote]if there was a website F*** USA.com they might be on there posting racial remarks Doubt it, it's a porn site! And no, I'm not posting the URL, you can find it yourselves! I still really don't ...[/quote]

"I still think many of you are just piqued that there are people who know more about France than you do."

I've generally found that people are easily capable of hatred with only a scant understanding of what they are are hating. In fact, that is usually the reason that they hate in the first place. Very likely this bunch (and others) simply glean whatever news stories they can, spin them around to fit their prejudices, wind them up, and set them off.

"Maybe some of you could actually prove your intellectual and moral superiority by refuting some of their attacks on France? It might use your brain cells rather than your Mr/Mrs Angry tape."

Yup, suppose we could. Then again, having seen how unpleasent things can get on a nice forum like this, I can't help feeling that baiting people who probably have ready access to firearms and, apparently, having read some of their output, fairly short fuses may not be the best way to spend a sunny Friday.

[andyh4]

If I remeber correctly the site wass et up in response to France's insistence that it did not want to play in GWB's Iraq games.   as such it probably has CIA backing and that is a bunch I do not want to get involved with intellectuially or physically thank you.

[Harley]

You're not my best friend anymore......

My dad's bigger than your dad......

Or even

If you're not with us, you must be against us!

See a similarity here anyone?

I personally haven't viewed George Bush the same way since I saw 2dTV.  How accurate was that.  I am not anti American but I have to say he comes across as the most insincere person I have ever seen.  Sorry guys.  Regardless of what he is talking about he seems to be smirking.  Why is that?

[Viv]

Quote - Sorry guys.  Regardless of what he is talking about he seems to be smirking.  Why is that?

I think it's because he still quite believe he's got away with fooling the US public into voting for him again!

Oops  best change fooling for encouraging -would hate to upset any delicate little soul!

[The Riff-Raff Element]

[quote]If I remeber correctly the site wass et up in response to France's insistence that it did not want to play in GWB's Iraq games. as such it probably has CIA backing and that is a bunch I do not want ...[/quote]

Oh Andy - I don't think that the CIA should be a concern. In common with most "intelligence" services worldwide (with the exception of MOSSAD who I am prepared to believe are highly efficient) I suspect that they are unable to find their bums with both hands. Otherwise they would have got jobs in commerce and made a mint rather than being badly paid civil servents. If they (and the Brits, and the French, and everyone else - we can safely spread the blame here, I think) were halfway competent then there probably would not BE a "war on terrorism" as it would have been nipped in the bud years ago.

I'm more concerned about the kind of people one sometimes comes across in the backwoods of Alabama and similar corners of the Land of the Free. Mad as cut snakes and armed to the teeth from the age of seven. Seldom been so scared in my life.

[Tresco]

'....Mad as cut snakes and armed to the teeth from the age of seven. Seldom been so scared in my life.' (jond)

Sounds just like where I live

 

[RayB]

[quote]I would not take the bait Ray its not worth it in fact if there was a website F*** USA.com they might be on there posting racial remarks ----No different than the folks on the FF.com[/quote]

**I would not take the bait Ray its not worth it in fact if there was a website F*** USA.com they might be on there posting racial remarks ----No different than the folks on the FF.com**

LOL! No fear of that, Pinkfluff. The worst thing you can do to 'baiters' is to ignore them. I'm very good at that. Also, Mark Twain said words to the effect - 'Never interrupt a person who is making a fool of themself'

[Lori]

jond - I like you !