MrCanary Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Forgive me if I have missed this being already answered in the thread, but it is perfectly OK to take plants to France - other than any that are possible carriers of oak disease. There is a definitive list somewhere on this site or, I am sure, you could get one by using Google.As for dairy products, my elderly French neighbour would not forgive me if I didn't arrive with a supply of Extra Strong Cheddar, which is his favourite after his own local goats cheese... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val_2 Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Both Super U shops in our neck of the woods are currently selling Seriously Strong english Cheddar imported and have been running out very quickly so obviously there is no ban on dairy foods coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Val - and obviously English Seriously/Extra Strong Cheddar is a big favourite in France! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 [quote user="powerdesal"] Perhaps JR can tell us, then I wont have to guess, and the sarcasm can cease.[/quote]As can the speculation about what someone who handled it calls asbestos and somebody who has never seen it assumes to be concrete clad asbestosIf it was not asbestos why call it that? He might have been stripping out a boiler for all you know, so why make comments about research when you have no idea what was being dealt with. Yes I doubt that it was pure asbestos as such, but do you want to come and break up my perfectly safe in your (amateur) opinion concrete clad asbestos then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Semantics Ron, I should have called it fibro-cement, as should JR.Its not concrete clad asbestos.It was an "educated" guess on my part, which was clearly implied in my post.You are being pedantic in your usual way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 The complete fool, the foolhardy fool, the chancer, the idiot who fell on his sword (I cant remember all the other pleasantaries that you have previously called me) is still waiting for an apology Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyF Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 [quote user="Mel"]Val - and obviously English Seriously/Extra Strong Cheddar is a big favourite in France![/quote]Twenty years ago our daughter had French friends who came to visit. Guess what they wanted for "afters" every evening of their stay? Yes, a cheeseboard of traditional British hard cheeses! [:D] They adored them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 [quote] The complete fool, the foolhardy fool, the chancer, the idiot who fell on his sword (I cant remember all the other pleasantaries that you have previously called me) is still waiting for an apology Ron.[/quote]Don't hold yer breath, Mate: you'll turn blue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Oh I am so sorry to have called a person a complete fool who boasted of transporting asbestos, not fibrous cement or concrete coated asbestos, but asbestos, from France to England in a van with another person, and of claiming to have dumped it legally in England when in his words he would have had to have paid to have it removed by people in white suits in France, like you do with fibrous cement[8-)]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybananasbrother Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Are we talking about the corrugated roofing panels of asbestos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Ron: you have let's say, a rather interesting way with words, that rather makes you as subtle as an air raid![:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 [quote user="Ron Avery"] Oh I am so sorry [/quote]Your apology is accepted with good grace.I guess it is more than I could have expected judging from the PM's that I have received[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 [quote user="woolybanana "] Are we talking about the corrugated roofing panels of asbestos?[/quote]Good question WBB, the native said not, but may now have changed his tune, the man in the desert 2000 miles away says they are. Good eyesight these water engineers!!When I had safety responsibilities for part of a large electrical firm with French connections, they decided to break open the covering around a spare turbine to get to a muchneeded spare part that was broken on a working turbine and power generator. The broken generator was known to be protected by a modern insulation material and so had caused no problems with access. It was then assumed that all the turbines in the hall had similar materials covering them so the insulation was hacked and drilled off the old spare turbine to get at the part needed. One of the union safety reps was not convinced that the material in the insulation covering was safe and decided to take a sample and sent it away for analysis and it was quickly found to be asbestos. All the men working on that turbine then had to have physical examinations, their cars and homes checked to see if any particles had found their way into them from their clothes, some had not changed before going home, and if the asbestos had contaminated their and their families’ lungs and those of the people they had met on the way home. Worrying times for all involved. By good fortune and the proximity of the installation to water, the dust had not travelled too far and all the men wewre given a clean bill of health and the homes were found to be clean although some cars needed a protective clean........All that occurred because one person assumed that there was no asbestos in a material without actually checking and in doing so put at risk the long-term health of many people. So yes Steve I may be a pedant but when it comes to health and safety I would say that was a good quality wouldn’t you? Who would you have as your safety engineer the man who transports dangerous materials across Europe without a care for others, handles live ammunition and falls off ladders or a pedant who checks that things are right and safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinfrance Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Ron Did you edit the large words at the end,or have they been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Don't know what happened, LIF I saw them. did an edit but it showed the font size for the whole post as 3, I reposted and they had gone. I normally write in 6 as its easier to correct then downsize to 3. Sometimes parts of posts look bigger than others although all parts are supposed to be 3 but never had that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acegundog Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 [quote user="Mel"]Forgive me if I have missed this being already answered in the thread, but it is perfectly OK to take plants to France - other than any that are possible carriers of oak disease. There is a definitive list somewhere on this site or, I am sure, you could get one by using Google.As for dairy products, my elderly French neighbour would not forgive me if I didn't arrive with a supply of Extra Strong Cheddar, which is his favourite after his own local goats cheese...[/quote] Thank you Mel - I have now found and had a look at the other threads and it seems I am not naughty after all [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanary Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 ...de rien ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerdesal Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 [quote user="Ron Avery"][quote user="woolybanana "] Are we talking about the corrugated roofing panels of asbestos?[/quote]Good question WBB, the native said not, but may now have changed his tune, the man in the desert 2000 miles away says they are. Good eyesight these water engineers!!When I had safety responsibilities for part of a large electrical firm with French connections, they decided to break open the covering around a spare turbine to get to a muchneeded spare part that was broken on a working turbine and power generator. The broken generator was known to be protected by a modern insulation material and so had caused no problems with access. It was then assumed that all the turbines in the hall had similar materials covering them so the insulation was hacked and drilled off the old spare turbine to get at the part needed. One of the union safety reps was not convinced that the material in the insulation covering was safe and decided to take a sample and sent it away for analysis and it was quickly found to be asbestos. All the men working on that turbine then had to have physical examinations, their cars and homes checked to see if any particles had found their way into them from their clothes, some had not changed before going home, and if the asbestos had contaminated their and their families’ lungs and those of the people they had met on the way home. Worrying times for all involved. By good fortune and the proximity of the installation to water, the dust had not travelled too far and all the men wewre given a clean bill of health and the homes were found to be clean although some cars needed a protective clean........All that occurred because one person assumed that there was no asbestos in a material without actually checking and in doing so put at risk the long-term health of many people. So yes Steve I may be a pedant but when it comes to health and safety I would say that was a good quality wouldn’t you? Who would you have as your safety engineer the man who transports dangerous materials across Europe without a care for others, handles live ammunition and falls off ladders or a pedant who checks that things are right and safe?[/quote]Ron,Read my post. I said (to the effect), that I did not know but would lay odds that they were corrugated sheets. ie a "guess" but a reasonable one, particularly as its accuracy was confirmed by JR. Eyesight has sweet FA to do with it.Regarding your interesting story of the insulation. "It was then assumed.." that was the basic problem - no? I was always told "never assume-check" A good call by the union rep and luckily a good outcome.As for "pedantic" safety engineers. I actually prefer an experienced engineer with a good grasp of common sense plus a sound knowledge ofthe safety rules but who is prepared to temper judgement with reality rather than blind obedience. That does not imply ignoring safety rules or hazardous conditions. I do not tolerate breaches of safety on my sites as those who have been given the bullet can testify.I think it is clear that "dangerous materials were not transported accross Europe without a care" I do not understand your reference to handling live ammunition and falling off ladders, maybe I missed something somewhere.Personnally I have handled live ammunition on numerous occasions, to date though I have never fallen off a ladder (touch wood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 [quote]though I have never fallen off a ladder (touch wood)[/quote]Does well, falling through a ladder count, please Sir?Quite a few years ago, when luckily I was much younger, fit and strong, a builder mate most kindly loaned me a short wooden ladder and a half scaffold board, so that I could paper in the stair well and head.Upon mounting the ladder - which I hadn't really checked - one rotten rung gave way: and Gluey descended rather like a Laural and Hardy film, breaking the other rungs en route![:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 [quote user="Ron Avery"][quote user="woolybanana "] [/quote]the man who transports dangerous materials across Europe without a care for others, handles live ammunition and falls off ladders [/quote]Ron, you are such a smooth talking flatterer!........................................ I think I have fallen in love with you![kiss] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Steve. I have never fallen of a ladder either but there is time yet.G.S. As you have proved there are much more imaginative ways to get into ladder trouble than just falling off them, after all even a H&S man can do that "its as easy as falling off a ladder" yours sounds like an 8 out of 10 to me!I recently posted some pictures on the health and safety threadhttp://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1234111/ShowPost.aspxI didnt realise at the time that I had feelings for Ron and that subconsciously they, and my H&S comments were an invitation for him to seduce me with his words once again.Sadly he didnt respond but perhaps you (and especially you Ron my love!) might like to have a look at my home made scaffolding, palan personne and the ladder that I didnt fall from.To make it more interesting see if you can answer the following questions:1 - How did I get into "ladder trouble"?2 - What is the redundant safety item in picture two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Avery Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote user="J.R gone native"] Steve. I have never fallen of a ladder either but there is time yet.[/quote]So this was not your post that Ernie is quoting here then???. 21/05/2008, 8:45 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,740 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry J.Rs gone native wrote:I have been delayed due to being in hospital all day and evening following a ladder accident I sometimes wonder if you should be allowed out on your own JR You're not Michael Crawford in mufti by any chance are you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Ron my cyberstalker DarlingI should not have to explain to a pedant that a ladder accident does not neccesarily mean falling off it.As I stated above there are plenty of more inventive things that can happen as G.S. has related.It was you that declared to the world that I fell of ladders (as well as other untruths), I felt the need to deny that, as for dumping asbestos on an English country road I figured that most sensible people would realise that that was a figment of your imagination.But I dont mind really, it is very flattering to know that you are thinking about me so much[kiss] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I smuggled a large quantity of asbestos back to England to be able to discard it at the local dump without paying a kings ransom to a company employing strange men wearing white space suits.Such a quantity in fact that the transit van was coilbound, we were stopped by the Douanes who told me that actually I didnt have the right to take it out of my departement let alone out of the country, that was after they had finished laughing and shaking their heads in disbelief. I know I'm going to regret this but... when I read the above post I too was hoping mad thinking why are you boasting about this JR... ok fair enough further information has clarified things but can you not see chaps a tiny little bit why the post above could have given rise to a few raised eyebrows? I know I dont have to read the posts and I know it's not really any of my business... but would it be at all possible for the quarrel to stop now boys... it's making a me sad... and now I guess I should return to our renovations and keep my head down... [:$] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Quite right Rose.The discussion or bickering doesnt even belong here as there is a health and safety thread.My final words - honest [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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