Mad Mad UK

[Panda]

The disappearance of the nativity was all over the BBC news yesterday, they reported that schools with a multi-cultural intake did not think the nativity was the right thing to do.

On the other hand it was reported today that councils will no longer be translating their documents into 10+ languages as it has been discovered that contrary to local opinion there is no legal requirement for them to do so and it's costs a fortune.

[Hoddy]

I don't understand these reports. In my old school in which 45% of the pupils were from ethnic minority backgrounds, we celebrated everything. Christmas of course and Chinese New Year, Diwali and Eid. We didn't do a Nativity Play though because it was a secondary school and we thought our pupils too old. The school has just gained an "Outstanding" in its latest Ofsted Report.

I wonder what the people who report this stuff do to support their local churches and schools to celebrate the nativity ? If they care so much about it that would surely be the best way to ensure its continuity.

Hoddy

[Cendrillon]

On the other hand it was reported today that councils will no longer be translating their documents into 10+ languages as it has been discovered that contrary to local opinion there is no legal requirement for them to do so and it's costs a fortune.

Panda

 

Apparently another reason is that "the powers that be" have come to the conclusion that if everything is translated then the incomers have less need to learn the language and integrate.

[Tony F Dordogne]

Sort of like the Brits who come to France and steadfastly refuse to learn French.

[Frederick]

It was a belief that under human rights legislation  immigrants should have documents translated into their own language...wrong it now appears but after £100 million has been spent on translation services ......If we asked the local  impots office and our Marie to send all the stuff we get from them in English quoting "human rights "  how long would he have to wait to get it .......hell freezing over comes to mind !.....

[Cendrillon]

[quote user="Tony F Dordogne"]Sort of like the Brits who come to France and steadfastly refuse to learn French.[/quote]

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[YCCMB]

[quote user="Tresco"][quote user="47AJM"]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7125521.stm
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There is not a single mention of 'banning' (or corncrakes) in this article. Nor can I find the Law Which Banned Golliwogs anywhere.

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If they're banned, then someone ought to tell our local teddy bear shop, because they are happily displaying them both in the window and on their website. http://www.asquiths.com/debcanham2.html

[Gluestick]

Except they are now know, generically as "Gollies" or "Gollys"

The older terms fell out of use after Robertson's, the jelly and marmalade and preserves company, who used a "Golly***" label (and if one collected sufficient little paper badges from inside the jar, then one sent away for a rather lovely badge), dropped the symbol as "Racially Offensive".

Robertsons changed it to "Golly".

Mrs GS has a valuable collection of superb enamelled "Golly" badges.

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/david_llewellyn/april07/golliwog.htm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23389075-details/Golliwogs+seized+in+racism+charges/article.do

 

[Frederick]

Just how desperate is the Mad Mad UK .....today I read that in 2009 they intend to indroduce a licence required to chuck a hook into the sea from a beach.....Sea angling rod licence  £25 adults cheaper for kids ..... lowering a line off a pier for crabs ....exempt  ! ....... Whats next ? Why not tax everybody walking along a pavement .....£25 a year walking licence  .....badges to be put on to show you have paid when you set foot on the pavement ? ...own a cycle  ? why not a  £100 a year for you then !  Who would have thought labour would tax a working mans fun in trying to catch a fish out of the sea.... how desperate  for tax revenue  can you get ?  As a sea fisherman....I will not pay it ....... Grrrrrrrrrrrr      

[memb]

Even Paddington has had to fall in line .... pity the rest got away with it.   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7134165.stm

[Ron Avery]

"today I read that in 2009 they intend to indroduce a licence required to chuck a hook into the sea from a beach..."

Don't know what you read all that in,  was it Old Moores Almanac?

It must have been as there has only been a consultative document so far issued 3 days ago on 5 December 2007  by DEFRA in which the possibility of a sea angling license is mentioned.

Even the societies who represent sea anglers have not dimissed the idea out of hand because it is part of a consultation document looking to improve coastal facilities and the management of inshore fish stocks.  No fees for any licenses are mentioned anywhere in the consultative document which can be read here http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/sea-angling/consultation.pdf 

 so where did you read what the license fees which may not be introduced at all will cost?

[Bugsy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/10/nfish10.xml

"David Miliband, the Environment Secretary, wants to use the licence fee to help manage fish stocks."

Brain-dead Prat!!

[Ron Avery]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk [:D][:D] says it all doesn't it...... 

and surprise surprise the Torygraph is quoting those brave souls who cut your hedges for free and have your pets killed for nothing those heroes of the countryside, (their description not mine) the Countryside Alliance. But hang on, there no link on the CA web site to the white paper.  Could that be because one doesn't exist? The CA actually have a far more accurate story about this than the Torygraph.

But how come its a white paper?  Doesn't that come after a green paper which follows a public consultation paper?

Is this another case of simple country folk or brain dead prats being misled by the british press?  It can't be can it?  Its in the Telegraph so it must be true, the british papers never lie,make up things or exaggerate do they??[:P]

[memb]

[quote user="Ron Avery"]

Is this another case of simple country folk or brain dead prats being misled by the british press?  It can't be can it?  Its in the Telegraph so it must be true, the british papers never lie,make up things or exaggerate do they??[:P]

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Hang on one minute!!!    Brain dead prats? Who are you referring to?   Half hour ago I had a cry because we received a photograph of a 6 yr member of our family dressed in her new "Bride" dress, for her "WINTER PLAY"....No Nativity Play allowed at her school this year, no angel wings allowed this year.     So I suppose its been made up is it?? Very insulting.

[Bugsy]

[quote user="Ron Avery"]

 so it must be true, the british papers never lie,make up things or exaggerate do they??[:P]

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unlike your beloved labour party who wouldn't know the truth if they fell over it.

When Millebrand starts WW3, don't say I didn't warn you.

Incidently, I only posted it because you asked about it. Personally I haven't read an english newspaper for over six years.

[Ron Avery]

 So I suppose its been made up is it?? Very insulting.

Yes it has been made up to sell papers to brain dead Victor Meldrews who believe anything they are told.  I agree it very insulting for journalists to think that everbody who buys their papers is as stupid as they are......  and cannot research facts.  By the way the topic was sea fishing licenses not nativity plays, do try and keep up[kiss].

 

Gary if you tell fibs Santa will not come down your chimney this wintertime celebration of the birth of some jewish bloke who is believed to be the saviour of the world.........  peeking a look at the website does count as reading the paper, try the Daily Sport, its far better for the blood pressure or my daily The Socialist Worker[:P]

[YCCMB]

[quote user="Gluestick"]

Except they are now know, generically as "Gollies" or "Gollys"

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Well, that's hardly a surprising thing, is it? Or perhaps those who despise political correctness so much are wholly in favour of the term "wog" and would avocate its reinstatement?

[Bugsy]

[quote user="Ron Avery"]

 

.........  peeking a look at the website does count as reading the paper, try the Daily Sport, its far better for the blood pressure or my daily The Socialist Worker[:P]

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Only the title and I did struggle with some of the bigger words Ron. [:D]

Whats the Daily Sport ?, I've never heard of that one..........................[Www][:D]

[memb]

[quote user="Ron Avery"]

 So I suppose its been made up is it?? Very insulting.

Yes it has been made up to sell papers to brain dead Victor Meldrews who believe anything they are told.  I agree it very insulting for journalists to think that everbody who buys their papers is as stupid as they are......  and cannot research facts.  By the way the topic was sea fishing licenses not nativity plays, do try and keep up[kiss].

 

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You spoke of the Telegraph in your post, on page one of this thread a Telegraph link was given, my OP spoke of Nativity plays being banned, not a case of keeping up, a case of putting you right, thats all.

Carry on your fued with Bugbear.

[Tony F Dordogne]

Wog is a term which was extensively used by Brits in the Middle East and originally meant Westernised Oriental Gentleman.  It was particularly applied to Anglo-Indians and Arabs, especially the Anglo-Indians who lived in India and were treaed poorly by the Raj.  It was not meant as a compliment.

It's not about being PC at all - it's about having some sort of respect for other people and it's not a case of modern pc, racial abuse has always been unacceptable.

And I declare an interest - my wife's mother and her family came from India and though they had English passports, Jenny and her brother were subjected to being called this name throughout their schooling from the late 1940s until the late 1950s which resulted in all sorts of problems for them, their family and the people who called them wogs.

Golliwogs were the Americanised version of the name - sort of like Sambo, jiggaboo or nigger.

Now, how about discussing Yids and kikes etc and saying that's ok and has fallen into disuse because of the pc brigade? I went to a predominantly Jewish school in east London so also have an understanding of what it was like before the 'pc brigade' started work - I don't agree with everything they do but racial abuse is always unacceptable and if you've not been subjected to it, you wouldn't understand.

Now hopefully you may understand why people who have been get so p****d off at it. 

[Bugsy]

[quote user="47AJM"]

Carry on your fued with Bugbear.

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Quel est 'fued' ?.........................................[:D][:D]

 

[memb]

[quote user="Bugbear"][quote user="47AJM"]

Carry on your fued with Bugbear.

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Quel est 'fued' ?.........................................[:D][:D]

 

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Ok then your bare-knuckle typing. [;-)]

[Bugsy]

Merci.............................[:)]

There is no feud between Ron and me, it's just that I'm always right and he isn't....[:D][:D][:D][:D]

 

[Ron Avery]

"You spoke of the Telegraph in your post, on page one of this thread a Telegraph link was given, my OP spoke of Nativity plays being banned, not a case of keeping up, a case of putting you right, thats all.

I'm glad that you made that clear......[Www][8-)]

"Carry on your fued with Bugbear".

I don't have feuds with Gary, we kiss and make up every week. I prefer nightly but he plays hard to get[kiss] 

[Gluestick]

[quote user="You can call me Betty"][quote user="Gluestick"]

Except they are now know, generically as "Gollies" or "Gollys"

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Well, that's hardly a surprising thing, is it? Or perhaps those who despise political correctness so much are wholly in favour of the term "wog" and would avocate its reinstatement?

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I didn't suggest for a moment that it was at all acceptable: nor would I, personally use the term. And, BTW, I didn't need acts of parliament or political correctness gone mad to force me to know how to behave.

Neither did I write the word, but inserted asterisks. I was merely responding to an earlier post about banning these toys. I made no objective or subjective comment, either; simply added a short rider re history of what were and are collectables.

For the record! [:)]

Now back to Ron, in the left corner wearing the white shorts and Gary in the right corner wearing the leathers!

Ding! Ding!

Round Two.