idun Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Interesting today, with this very sad news story. B o r d e l d e m e r d e was what the french news said that the coast guard was saying to the captain of the Costa. British tv was a humbler 'for christ's sake'.Quite a different tone, but I don't speak italian and couldn't tell you what the coast guard was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote user="idun"] Interesting today, with this very sad news story. B o r d e l d e m e r d e was what the french news said that the coast guard was saying to the captain of the Costa. British tv was a humbler 'for christ's sake'.Quite a different tone, but I don't speak italian and couldn't tell you what the coast guard was saying. [/quote]por cristohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VkIEWKmO_8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I had heard it in italian too, but I don't speak italian, although I could pick up some of it.Anyone else impressed by this coastguard, his anger appropriate and he sounded efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I have copied for you the exchange which includes the word cristo.De Falco: «Il mio soccorritore sta a prua. Avanti. Ci sono già dei cadaveri Schettino». Schettino: «Quanti cadaveri ci sono?» De Falco: «Non lo so.. Uno lo so. Uno l'ho sentito. Me lo deve dire lei quanti ce ne sono, Cristo». Schettino: «Ma si rende conto che è buio e qui non vediamo nulla ...».The whole text of the phone call and recording is in Il Corriere della Serahttp://www.corriere.it/cronache/12_gennaio_16/procuratore-grosseto-schettino-fermato-perche-poteva-fuggire_76f76cec-4029-11e1-a5d2-75a8a88b1277.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It is being run just now on Sky News with a very good translation in english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thanks, so why were the french saying 'b or del de me rd e' then? interesting translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just following the lay republican tradition of jules ferry in avoiding religious symbolism.Sort of pedagogic french political correctness, after all in the 600th Anniversary of Jeanne d'Arc who besmirched her "booter des anglais" credentials by getting herself burnt at the stake for being a transvestite and probably also a lesbian and accordingly delaying her canonisation until 1920.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The coastguard certainly sounded angry and frustrated with the captain and quite rightly so.BBC News is carrying a report from Lloyds that the ship, with apparently the approval of the owners, followed virtually the same course in August.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The sub-titled French translation that I saw on the news was something like the coastguard asking how many souls left on board and the captain replying "I dont know" followed by the coastguard shouting "get your ar5e back on the vessel!" and the captain replying (from the lifeboat) "I aint going nowhere!".Granted its my translation of a translation but was that about the size of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Chancer"]...and the captain replying (from the lifeboat) "I ain't going nowhere!".Granted its my translation of a translation but was that about the size of it?[/quote]Apparently so ... the GuardianSue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="PaulT"] The coastguard certainly sounded angry and frustrated with the captain and quite rightly so.BBC News is carrying a report from Lloyds that the ship, with apparently the approval of the owners, followed virtually the same course in August.Paul[/quote]'Ships' carry transponders and 'black box's' just like an aircraft (yachts and boats don't have to). They showed on the news the route this ship normally takes and any variance thereof. As you say it deviated last year, again for some type of fete or something. They showed the track of last time and whilst it was similar it was not as near as this time. From the photo's and news video I have seen and how close this ship was to the shore this time the Captain must have been off his head. I wouldn't take my 'boat' that close in. My Nautical GPS has all the worlds charts and I checked last night, the rocks are definitely marked and mine are last years edition (I update mine every other year in June normally but I also read the Admiralty Notices for wherever I am visiting for up to date information). I always use Admiralty charts, perhaps he uses Imray's or something else but whatever, you just would not take a ship of that size so close to shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="PaulT"] The coastguard certainly sounded angry and frustrated with the captain and quite rightly so.BBC News is carrying a report from Lloyds that the ship, with apparently the approval of the owners, followed virtually the same course in August.Paul[/quote]'Ships' carry transponders and 'black box's' just like an aircraft (yachts and boats don't have to). They showed on the news the route this ship normally takes and any variance thereof. As you say it deviated last year, again for some type of fete or something. They showed the track of last time and whilst it was similar it was not as near as this time. From the photo's and news video I have seen and how close this ship was to the shore this time the Captain must have been off his head. I wouldn't take my 'boat' that close in. My Nautical GPS has all the worlds charts and I checked last night, the rocks are definitely marked and mine are last years edition (I update mine every other years in June normally but I also read the Admiralty Notices for wherever I am visiting for up to date information). I always use Admiralty charts, perhaps he uses Imray's or something else but whatever, you just would not take a ship of that size so close to shore.[/quote]Man with Admilalty Charts...I am confused with the whole picture of the damage which is on the starboard side ofvthe vessel; The boat was heading north close to the Siglio Island. If the boat passed to the east of the smaller islet furthest from the coast then damage would have been more likely on the port side. However if the boat passed between the two islets then damage could have occured anywhere below the water line. It would appear that after the boat continued north it then turned towards the east coast of the main island and was finall y "beached". So where did it pick up the big rock encrusted in the side...your views would be of interest...as the transpondeur boite noire information is likely to be available much later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Ill get back to you when you have learned the difference between a ship, boat, ferry and yacht. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 First call; http://video.corriere.it/schettino-la-capitaneria-porto-siamo-caduti-acqua/a5aa6c02-40ff-11e1-b71c-2a80ccba9858The audio starts with the commander De Falco (CG) talking to his men, while the phone is ringing: "Ok, find out how much time will the divers need to get there. I've asked at Civitavecchia to send me more divers". FS: Hello? CG: Commander, I am De Falco from Livorno. FS: Yes, ok - I have allerted the Costa too. They have told me that there are passengers on board, it looks like there around a hundred persons. But I repeat... CG: Commander, you cannot give me the exact number? "Around hundred persons", "looks like"...? FS: Well, I cannot give you the exact number becasue, let me explain... We were evacuating all the passengers, but now the officials are all around here. CG: Where are you? On the lifeboats, all the officials? FS: Yes, there are myself, my second... CG: But previously you have claimed to be there with just one sailor. If the officials have managed to reach your liferaft, it means that it is still possible to walk aboard the ship? FS: Yes, in fact. Now... CG: And then why don't they get back on board to examine the situation and then report back? Thanks. FS: Now it is impossible... CG: Send them back on board. Get one person on board, to coordinate the rescue. FS: I am coordinating them. CG: I am giving you an order, commander. You have to send someone on board. FS: We will get on board to coordinate. CG: Exactly. You have to get back on board, and coordinate the evacuation. Is that clear? FS: But we cannot climb on board anymore now. The ship is... CG: Why did you let them leave the ship, comander? FS: What do you mean "let them leave"? We have abandoned the ship. The ship has heeled... CG: And with still 100 persons on board you abandon the ship, dammit? FS: I have not abandoned the ship with 100 persons on board. It's just that the ship has heeld quickly, we have finished in water. CG: (a moment of surprise) We will determine later what has happened, ok? Now you have to let me know every single thing that is happening there. Remain under the ship with your liferaft and don't move away, is that clear? FS: We are here, commander, we are here. (the phone hangs up)Second call; http://video.corrierefiorentino.corriere.it/telefonate-il-comandante-capitaneria/cf-167017CG: Hello? FS: Tell me... CG: I am De Falco from Livorno, commander FS: (hardly understandable but sounds like: "sh*t, the commander" with a scared voice) CG: Hello? FS: Yes... G... Good evening commander. CG: Listen, I am De Falco from Livorno, am I talking to the commander? FS: Yes, good evening commander De Falco, I am... CG: Tell me your name, plase! FS: I am commander Schettino, commander. CG: Schettino? FS: Yes. CG: Listen, Schettino. There are persons trapped in the ship. Now you go with your lifeboat under the stem of the ship, starboard side. There is a jacob. You will climb that jacob and board the ship. You board the ship and then will tell me how many persons are still there. Is that clear? I am registering this communication, commander Schettino. FS: Well, commander, let me tell you one thing... CG: Talk louder! FS: Ok, the ship now... I am here in front of... CG: Talk louder, put a hand around the microphone and talk louder! Is it clear? FS: (talking to someone close to him: "Sit down. Let him come here, let him come here!"). Commander, in this moment the ship is listed. CG: I understand that. Listen up. There are persons who are decending the jacob at the stem. You will now move over that jacob in the opposite direction, get on board and will tell me how many persons there and what (equipment) do they have. Clear? FS: (silence) CG: You will tell me if there are women, children or persons who need an assistance. And you will tell me the number of persons in each one of these categories. Is that clear? FS: (silence) CG: Look, Schettino. You may have saved yourself from the sea, but I will get you in a sea of troubles. Get on board! FS: Commander, please... CG: No! Please, now you go and get on board! And let me know that you are on board. FS: I am aboard the liferaft and am not going to leave or get away, I am here... CG: What are you doing, commander? FS: I am coordinating the rescue, I am here... CG: What are you coordinating from there? Get on board and coordinate the resue from the ship! FS: (silence) CG: Are you refusing to comply? FS: No, no, I am not refusing... CG: Are you refusing to get on board, commander? FS: I am... CG: Tell me the motivation for not going there FS: I am not going there because there is another lifeboat halted there CG: You get on board, this is an order! You don't have to say anything else, you have declared the abandoning ship, now I assume command. And get on board! Is that clear? FS: Commander... CG: You can't hear me? Go! There is my rescuer there. FS: Where is your rescuer? CG: My rescuer is on the stem. Move on! There are already dead people, Schettino! Move on! FS: How many dead people? CG: I don't know. I know about one. YOU have to tell me that, for Christ! FS: Do you realize that it is dark here, we don't see anything? CG: And what do you want to do? Get back home, Schettino? It's dark, you want to go home? FS: Look... CG: Climb up that jakob on the stem, and tell me what has to be done, how many persons are there and what are their needs! FS: I am going there. (incomprehensible) CG: What? FS: I am together with the second in command here. CG: Then climb on board both of you. What is his name? FS: Dimitri CG: Dimitri what? FS: Dimitri Christidis CG: You and your second get on board now. Is that clear? FS: Look, I want to get on board. But there is this second lifeboat with rescuers which has stopped there. Now they have called other rescuers... CG: You, it's been an hour since you are repeating the same thing. Now you get on board. Get on b-o-a-r-d. And you will have to tell me immediately how many persons are there. FS: All right, commander. I am going... CG: Move on, now! (Da Falco hangs up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 AIS tracking of the Concordia. Keep an eye on the timings (Top left corner), and the sudden rush of vessels going to assist!http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b4zTRiXnWhw[IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/ogmln4.png[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="pachapapa"] Man with Admilalty Charts...I am confused with the whole picture of the damage which is on the starboard side ofvthe vessel; The boat was heading north close to the Siglio Island. If the boat passed to the east of the smaller islet furthest from the coast then damage would have been more likely on the port side. However if the boat passed between the two islets then damage could have occured anywhere below the water line. It would appear that after the boat continued north it then turned towards the east coast of the main island and was finall y "beached". So where did it pick up the big rock encrusted in the side...your views would be of interest...as the transpondeur boite noire information is likely to be available much later.[/quote]For the benefit of non-mariners, Port = Left, Starboard = Right, viewed from on-board a vessel facing the bow or front.The damage to the Costa Concordia is on the Port side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Quillan"]Ill get back to you when you have learned the difference between a ship, boat, ferry and yacht. [:D][/quote]Just boarding the boat train to Southampton.But if a bateau is a boat, navire a ship and a paquebôt a liner; then I think one has missed out liners.No liner trains scheduled today to Southampton.[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Salty Sam"][quote user="pachapapa"] Man with Admilalty Charts...I am confused with the whole picture of the damage which is on the starboard side ofvthe vessel; The boat was heading north close to the Siglio Island. If the boat passed to the east of the smaller islet furthest from the coast then damage would have been more likely on the port side. However if the boat passed between the two islets then damage could have occured anywhere below the water line. It would appear that after the boat continued north it then turned towards the east coast of the main island and was finall y "beached". So where did it pick up the big rock encrusted in the side...your views would be of interest...as the transpondeur boite noire information is likely to be available much later.[/quote]For the benefit of non-mariners, Port = Left, Starboard = Right, viewed from on-board a vessel facing the bow or front.The damage to the Costa Concordia is on the Port side![/quote]Damnation not again! Getting tribord and babord mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="pachapapa"][quote user="Quillan"]Ill get back to you when you have learned the difference between a ship, boat, ferry and yacht. [:D][/quote]Just boarding the boat train to Southampton.But if a bateau is a boat, navire a ship and a paquebôt a liner; then I think one has missed out liners.No liner trains scheduled today to Southampton.[:)][/quote]We are talking in English. Don't try, yet again, to use a different language to cover up your own ignorance.A liner by the way is a passenger ship used for pleasure voyages but then as you clearly don't know the difference between a ship and a boat I doubt you would know that. [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Quillan"][quote user="pachapapa"] [quote user="Quillan"]Ill get back to you when you have learned the difference between a ship, boat, ferry and yacht. [:D][/quote]Just boarding the boat train to Southampton.But if a bateau is a boat, navire a ship and a paquebôt a liner; then I think one has missed out liners.No liner trains scheduled today to Southampton.[:)][/quote]We are talking in English. Don't try, yet again, to use a different language to cover up your own ignorance.A liner by the way is a passenger ship used for pleasure voyages but then as you clearly don't know the difference between a ship and a boat I doubt you would know that. [:D][/quote]Wiki in english ...all dark...have to wait 48 hours or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShipP.S. If I sign up for the Lloyd's List free subscription. Does anyone know how long it lasts?Start your complimentary trial today. You are only a few short steps away from experiencing all Lloydslist.com has to offer at no charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 For those that don't know the basic principle is you can fit a boat in (or on) a ship but you can't put a ship in (or on) a boat. A ferry, other than small passenger ferries that are more like a boat (like used to cross a small river or access a nearby offshore island), is actually a ship . A yacht is a personally owned boat be it sailing or power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Problem solved. It was left hand side of the SHIP looking forward.[IMG]http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-304880-galleryV9-alec.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="pachapapa"]Problem solved. It was left hand side of the SHIP looking forward.[/quote]Exactly![IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2baag3.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote user="Quillan"]For those that don't know the basic principle is you can fit a boat in (or on) a ship but you can't put a ship in (or on) a boat. A ferry, other than small passenger ferries that are more like a boat (like used to cross a small river or access a nearby offshore island), is actually a ship . A yacht is a personally owned boat be it sailing or power.[/quote]That is more like it Quillan, I thought some of your previous comments were unworthy of you, I believe that a forum should be a resource for all of us to gain and share knowledge, I have learnt from this.So what about a bâtiment then? I know its a French term but what class of boat, ship, ferry, liner, floating object does it translate to?I have heard it used for aircraft carriers but not warships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sam Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bâtiment de guerre = Warship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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