Gluestick Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Here:Another example of that "Nice Muslim Family up the road, perhaps?As I and my wife are fiscally UK resident, I wholly object to such idiotic circumstances. The now - thankfully! - imprisoned Islamic terrorist, Abu Hamza (himself implicated in mentoring of the Charlie Hebdo nutters) and his family lived on state benefits in London.here:All that apart, Hamza cost the UK government circa £1.5 + million in legal costs.Here:Then there is the delightful Abu Qatada: Another £ 1.7 + million.Here:Another charming chap, is Anjem Choudary.Here:The main problem for both France and Britain (and other Euro states) has been Schengen; this has also facilitated the covert movement and supply of a wide range of military weaponry, much of which has emerged from Russia and the Eastern states, since the Berlin Wall came down and Soviet Russia collapsed. Under Yeltsin, AKA Boris the Boozer, since the Red Army were neither being paid nor fed, they dispersed large quantities of weapons, explosives, RPGs etc through the rapidly booming back street markets assisted most willingly by the Russian Mafiya.A most interesting study is Paddy Ashdown's book, Beyond Westminster - Finding hope in Britain, insofar as illegal weaponry in easy ready supply are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Marine Le Pen wants to see the border controls come back and is pointing to the ease of movement of weapons today . In the last 30 years I have been moving back and forward to France Even in the days of towing a caravan so an opportunity for shipping some big stuff there I have never been searched . Looking at it from an enemy wishing to ship weapons I imagine its been and is being done now in to the UK . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Some bits I agree with and others I do not.Abu Qatada - How comes it took so long to extradite him and why did the then DPP decide there was not enough evidence to prosecute him? Especially interesting with regards to the latter is that he was convicted in America mainly based on information given to them by the Metropolitan Police Anti Terrorist Squad and their 'intelligence' department. We could have locked him away for life on this evidence and saved the country millions.The 'problem' of the Schengen agreement is not relevant to the UK as we never signed up to it which is why we still have border control at ports etc. and why there are these people trying to get on lorries in France to come to the UK.One of the biggest manufacturers outside of America is actually the Ukraine, the new AK47 was designed there and is now being manufactured there. The AK47 is made under licence in 20 countries including such countries at Zimbabwe, Israel, Egypt, China, Venezuela etc (but strangely not Russia). You can buy an AK47 for as little as $10 and the best quality ones are made in Hungary. Samtex comes from Czechoslovakia and the biggest importer by far has been Syria and Libya. Prior to the current civil war they were importing over 700 tons of the stuff per year. So in short you don't have to go to the Russian black market because people in East African and Arabic countries can buy it all quite legally from manufacturers all around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 [quote user="Quillan"]The 'problem' of the Schengen agreement is not relevant to the UK as we never signed up to it which is why we still have border control at ports etc. and why there are these people trying to get on lorries in France to come to the UK.[/quote]Not quite true. There are no checks on traffic between the UK and the republic of Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 [quote user="Rabbie"][quote user="Quillan"] The 'problem' of the Schengen agreement is not relevant to the UK as we never signed up to it which is why we still have border control at ports etc. and why there are these people trying to get on lorries in France to come to the UK.[/quote]Not quite true. There are no checks on traffic between the UK and the republic of Ireland.[/quote]You have me there I must admit, I never thought of that. However my point being is that it is not quite the same as crossing from say France to Spain where because of the Schengen agreement there is no border. I don't think we will see human traficers sailing boats all the way to Ireland and anyway they have their own system for protecting their coastline as they are members. My point being is that we do have border controls in place and the camps on the French side of the channel prove that in the majority they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluestick Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 [quote user="Quillan"]The 'problem' of the Schengen agreement is not relevant to the UK as we never signed up to it which is why we still have border control at ports etc. and why there are these people trying to get on lorries in France to come to the UK.[/quote]Except as from June 2014 no visa necessary for 90 day visits to Schengen states. A gift to peripatetic terrorists..........Visa Schengen[quote]One of the biggest manufacturers outside of America is actually the Ukraine, the new AK47 was designed there and is now being manufactured there. The AK47 is made under licence in 20 countries including such countries at Zimbabwe, Israel, Egypt, China, Venezuela etc (but strangely not Russia). You can buy an AK47 for as little as $10 and the best quality ones are made in Hungary. Samtex comes from Czechoslovakia and the biggest importer by far has been Syria and Libya. Prior to the current civil war they were importing over 700 tons of the stuff per year. So in short you don't have to go to the Russian black market because people in East African and Arabic countries can buy it all quite legally from manufacturers all around the world.[/quote]Only problem with that concept, Q is in order to legally purchase controlled weapons and particularly Semtex from the Czech Republic, and thus, Omnipol, since it is a member of NATO (since 1999) and the EU is one needs an End User Certificate.The attraction of Soviet Russian weaponry was no EUC necessary: and the open borders in the East (where in any case border officers were very much open to bribes, in US dollars), facilitated fairly easy movement.Semtex leaves traces of gas signature and this can be detected when at low millionth level. (a taggart was added in 1991 in order to meet international agreements plus the shelf life now is less than five years. Present production is circa 10 tonnes (Domestic use only): and has, since 1990 a shelf life of less than 5 years. Doubtful there are stockpiles and if there are bloody dangerous!. See:See:The Border Screening at Eurotunnel et al, for example, looks for minute traces of most common explosives and particularly GSR (Gun Shot Residue).My electronics security company were involved with Graseby back in the early 1980s. A great British technology and science company, now US owned.Graseby:BTW: Did you know where RDX was developed; and what its initials stand for?Woolwich arsenal in the very early 1940s: and Research Department; Explosive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 [quote user="Rabbie"][quote user="Quillan"]The 'problem' of the Schengen agreement is not relevant to the UK as we never signed up to it which is why we still have border control at ports etc. and why there are these people trying to get on lorries in France to come to the UK.[/quote]Not quite true. There are no checks on traffic between the UK and the republic of Ireland.[/quote]UK and the Republic of Ireland are in a "common travel area". In practice this means that if you fly from Ireland to the UK you bypass passport control, though strangely enough when you enter Ireland by air you have to go through passport control. IIRC there are notionally still vehicle checks when leaving or entering the UK to/from Ireland by ferry: a family who wrought havoc on one crossing that we were on (theft from passengers, on-board shops and crew cabins) were stopped on arrival in the UK and their van was well on the way to having its contents and interior fittings stripped out the last time I saw it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Gluestick - The point that I was making is to try and lay it all at the Russians door is a joke. These weapons are made all over the world as is Samtex. The 'recipe' for Samtex is on the web, I think even Wiki gives one. Anyone with the right resources and equipment can make it although the type of equipment required is way beyond that of making it at home in your kitchen. The issue of the unique taggart is purely a voluntary thing and the manufactures are not obliged to add it by any law. However to sell their product is certain countries they need to add the taggart. Most of the weapons are bought quite legitimately by certain Arab states (best not name them but I suspect you know to whom I am thinking of) and then given to these terrorist groups. They also finance them and certainly both the British and French governments have done export deals with these countries which in my mind is somewhat hypocritical. With the use of suicide bombers the age and stability of Samtex is really of no interest to their 'masters'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Pickles, You are correct in what you say. However I hope that similar action would be taken against people arriving from Northern Ireland to Britain if they had been behaving similarly. I believe that the passport checks at Irish Airports are because it is simpler to check all passengers rather than have a separate procedure for passengers from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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