woolybanana Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Cahuzac, Gueant, Chirac, Sarkozy, Balkany, Juppé, Fillon, all former French politicians who have been are or will soon go on trial for dishonesty of some sort. Some of these are doing time or under house arrest.What is it that makes them get their hands into the till, surely more than just greed. It has always been a tradition in France but surely they dont need the money nor do their campaigns? Do they really think they are above scrutiny, are they stoopid?Had it been Belgium, I would say that there was never a straight deal, but then that is the rule there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazandcol Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I suppose we should be 'glad' that they are held responsible - unlike all the Brexiteering illegal political activities that have just been ignored/accepted in UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Some seem to be in it for personal gain others for the benefit of their cause or party. Both, of course are corruption but do we hold one to be more reprehensible than the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 exactly what illegal brexitering has occurred?Both sides in this debate have told porkies beyond belief, the remainers have not been honest either....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Illegal funding, I fear, of Mr. Farage, though yet to come to court or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I thought that Cahuzac was reprehensible in that a) He was a Minister for the Budget yet he held a secret offshore bank accountb) It was for his personal gainc) He was a supposed Socialist. One expects right-wing politicians to be in it for the money, that after all is the basis of their philosopy; but one would hope for better from the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Here are two British ones, one from each side:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chris-davies-tory-mp-brecon-radnorshire-by-election-expenses-invoice-a8968666.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 En plus, Cahuzac avait menti devant l’ Assemblée Nationale. Je me souviens de l’avoir vu faire, les doigts même pas croisés derrière son dos! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Chris Davis was so stupid. If you are gonna fiddle you have to make it BIG, BIG, BIG. Small fiddles mean you lose respect but big fiddles get you lauded.( Too hot to garden for another hour or so, even sitting under the umbrella sort8ngmbulbs!?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Who says Socialists are more or less honest than others? Just look at the numbers for theft in the NHS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazandcol Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 The biggest NHS thieves are the Tory Government who have been 'fencing' it off bit by bit for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCCMB Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 ....following on from the start made by the Blair government. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/how-labour-broke-nhs-and-why-labour-must-fix-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 I quoted the NHS as an example of what might be called a socialist organisation. It was a bit simplistic, perhaps.The numbers for thefts run into the billions, by the way. Just google and you will see reports from all types of papers and bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suein56 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Good point Betty.Reading the article it seems some of Labour's ideas were good but the translation into real life, especially when elderly patients were concerned, got too convoluted. Removing the local element of knowledgeable people in favour of distant care appears to have added to the problem.I've no solution .. but it does seem the whole NHS has become increasingly complex so the solution definitely won't be simple.NB: paying some managers enormous salaries, letting them 'retire' then re-hiring them on the same salary is so ludicrous .. and hugely costly. If this practice is not illegal then it should be made so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 It needs joined up thinking of the various social care bodies plus the NHS to deal with the elderly care problem. As well as very serious fines for bed blocking, more care at home and more staff trained to do the job. But to do this, decent wages too are needed.And surgeons who work fr the NHS full time, not half time with the rest being private.Plus the NHS must not be carrying out what I call flippant surgery or bread and butter stuff which can best be done in the private sector.Whilst you can have local services, centres of excellence must probably be regional.AnE, heaven only knows how to deal with it.Definitely right about excessive salaries at the top, though, should be cut by half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 A growing problem in France too:http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/a-bout-les-medecins-urgentistes-manifestent-a-paris-ce-jeudi-20190606 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 Yes, Norman, a huge problem in France too. Hostos and wards closing, AnE waits getting very long, not enough doctors in areas of higher need, violence against staff...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I am sure that everything will be fine, once Mr Trump takes over the NHS.[:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard51 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 What a biased thread. However, an appropriate thread title for Trump.Over Iran, he said that he pulled out at the last minute. For that we must be grateful. Its a shame, however, that his father didn't do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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