Clair Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 The new regulations concerning entry and residence for new arrivals into France are recapped here:Important information for those planning a move to Francewith thanks to Sunday Driver...[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Having read SD's excellent exposition of the current situation, I understand it all now.Afterthought - people coming here prior to 2004 had to have T/CdS. From this year, EU people newly coming to France will have, what is in effect, TdS.So what about people like Jenny and I who fall into the gap, the years in between? Penny to a pound, the Government will - rightly - think of a way of introducing the residence qualification again for those of us who fit that time gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 15, 2007 Author Share Posted September 15, 2007 As you say Tony, it appears there will be three distinct categories:those who have or have had a Carte de Séjour (CdS)those who have never had a CdS, as it was not requiredthose who will be required to have a Certificat de Résidence.I think the solution might be to apply for a Titre de Séjour (TdS).[quote]Les intéressés ne sont pas tenus de détenir un titre de séjour. Toutefois, s'ils en font la demande, il leur en est délivré un.vosdroits.service-public.fr/[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 TonyIf you arrived during the 'gap' then there was no specific entry criteria applicable so you didn't need to apply for a permit to stay (TdS). That means you are legally resident here, so unless you suddenly become a threat to public order ([:-))]) then there's no reason to challenge your residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Nothing to add - except, excellent post. Thankyou for making it available and so well explained.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virginia.c Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 At the risk of being incredibly stupid, does owning a house in France but not yet using it for permanent residency make any difference to the new rules? ie if we were to decide in the future that we wanted to move permanently would we be considered as "new" entrants to France?Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 15, 2007 Author Share Posted September 15, 2007 Yes, you would be considered new residents, as you are not residents now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 [quote user="Tony F Dordogne"]So what about people like Jenny and I who fall into the gap, the years in between? [/quote]We have certs of residence issued by our mayor soon after our arrival in late 2003. I just went in to the office and asked for them, no proof of income etc, and they were issued free, gratis and for nothing. No idea whether they have any legal worth but, hey, it's another piece of paper with a signature and an official stamp and you can never have too many of those in France.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorejw Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 This 'new' scheme seems very similar to that which was in force when we moved here in 2002. We still have our TdS, which in fact has just expired - perhaps we should renew it after all? Anyway, as we are both working and paying our cotisations it is not an issue for us, I assume we just need to keep working until our UK pensions commence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val_2 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Same as us in early 95. It was compulsory then to have a full Carte de Séjour and then when those expired we renewed them again. Our children took theirs out when they reached 18 as was required too especially with learning to drive and going to Lycée etc. Its a much better way of keeping an eye on people and stopping scroungers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeb Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 [quote user="Val_2"].......... Its a much better way of keeping an eye on people and stopping scroungers as well.[/quote]I should imagine it's much easier to 'scrounge' if you have one. People 'sans papiers' have a struggle to get any financial help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Regarding the specific issue of new EU residents having to register qt the mairie within 3 months of arrival...I have just spoken to someone at the Préfecture du Lot and it seems the people in charge are currently devising the registration form.It will come as a CERFA form, which means it will be the same nationwide.The person I spoke to was aware of the decree necessitating the registration, but was waiting to be advised of its publication, which could take days, weeks or months...I have also discussed the Titre de Séjour and have been told it is not compulsory but would be delivered if requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Carte de Séjour (CdS) Titre de Séjour (TdS).Can someone explain, in simple terms what exactly is the difference between the two.Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Driver Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The residence permit is the titre de séjour, also known as the 'carte de séjour'. They are both the same thing.A bit like the certificat d'immatriculation and the 'carte grise'.....[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Titre de séjour is the correct name, as it refers to your entitlement to stay.The name "carte de séjour" came about because the TdS was in fact card-shaped.In the olden days (way before my time), the TdS used to be a stamp stuck in a passport, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Thank you both Clair and SD, for your rapid clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Carte de Séjour were always the words printed on the cartes and it is only in recent years that the words Titre de Séjour replaced Carte de Séjour but yes, they are in effect, one and the same .So not at all sure, that it was simply a name given, purely as it was a card shaped, Titre de Séjour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 So does one apply for a CdS (or TdS) at the Mairies or the Prefecture ?Iceni says she got hers from the Mayor, Clair said the Prefecture would have given her one if she'd asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 [quote user="ErnieY"] Clair said the Prefecture would have given her one if she'd asked.[/quote]Interesting choice of words Ernie.............................[:D][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 It's the mairie, unless you live in a town where there is a Préfecture or Sous-Préfecture.Either name will do![:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 BB, go and wash your thoughts with black soap![;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 You are a very bad man BB, was totally innocent of intent but ROTFL neverthless [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I'll pass this on to 'er indoors, she might want to pay a visit whilst I'm away.......[;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ernie, you're just as bad as BB![:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 wot...WOT...???...[:-))] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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