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YesI concur, lovely flowers and we don't see them here, but (!!) can anyone help me with these 2 please?

[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jonzjob/Unknownbutround.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jonzjob/Starflower.jpg[/IMG]

Both seen on the gaurigue close to our house..

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I think that the salsify is smack on Chris, but the other one was completly flat on the open ground and the mullein is quite tall. We will have to make the same walk in a few daze (?) to se if it streching skywards?

Thanks for the salsify Chris. There is loads of it around here and it seems to be very good for the herbalist.

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I don't know T2. It is completely flat with the ground and completely symetrical. A very impresive lookng small plant.

We will have to keep an eye on it?

Edit:- Looing at a coupe of sites it looks a bit too symetrical with those prickly spots on the leaves so possibly not a teasel??

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Depending on WHERE you are, my wife was enchanted once to find a similar thing growing up in Provence, near Castellane. It had a flat flower too. Can't for the life of me remember what she called it though. We were looking for Sea Holly at the time........

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