Frederick Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I bought some Basa fillets from the supermarket fish counter....They looked nice firm white fish..and tasted very good ....Basa was a name I was not famliar with and googled it and discovered it was a catfish ...Fine no problem with that...I then discovered it is farmed in huge quantities in pens in the Mekon river in Vietnam.. and sold all over the world ...I learned what else goes in the river..... yuk !......I think in future I might just give a bit more attention to where my fish comes from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Don't buy from the North Sea all the PCBs.Don't buy Tuna as they are responsible for many Dolphin deaths.In fact why eat fish? Let them be...In my opinion all fisherman should be locked up for theft as the fish do not belong to them - at least farmers put something into production - fishermen just steal them unless they are farmed and usually in conditions that are bad for the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 As it happens Dog I like fishing ....have spent many hours since a kid trying to catch my supper... with success on occasions .....I am looking forward to the new Robson Green series on " Fishing "..... I enjoyed the last one ..now there.... is.... a happy man..... who can travel the world ....just to go fishing !. As for fish not belonging to people ..there are lots of club members fishing lakes and rivers that have been stocked at great expense that might not agree with you ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I thought you were refering earlier to bought fish.Neverthless 400 years ago it was known that fish had feelings and to pull them out of the water to look at or eat is cruel in the extreme.If fishermen liked fish they would just happily observe them rather than harass them.If only fish could scream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote user="Dog"]In my opinion all fisherman should be locked up for theft as the fish do not belong to them [/quote]So who do they steal them from?And do the big fish steal the little fish that they eat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 From themselves.Yes big fish do steal the lives of little fish - I would welcome a suggestion of how we could educate them so this is not necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 "There's plenty more fish in the sea my son"As my late father said to me when my first love m'a trompée.Il avait raison [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 Dog Some fish do make a noise...I hooked a few puffer fish in Australia. last year ..they make a popping noise as they inflate in your hand while you get the hook out .....You will be pleased to know that Nimos mates soon deflated and swam off when put back in ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I am going to make some nice hook sandwiches for the piscatorial perverts.After I catch them I will pull them underwater for five minutes while I pose and take photos with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 [quote user="Frederick"]I bought some Basa fillets from the supermarket fish counter....They looked nice firm white fish..and tasted very good ....Basa was a name I was not famliar with and googled it and discovered it was a catfish ...Fine no problem with that...I then discovered it is farmed in huge quantities in pens in the Mekon river in Vietnam.. and sold all over the world ...I learned what else goes in the river..... yuk !......I think in future I might just give a bit more attention to where my fish comes from...[/quote]Trouble is we cannot often tell where it is sourced, there are few details on display in most fish emporia.RegardsSimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Find out more about how the seas are being emptied of living creatures.http://www.fishinghurts.com/CommercialFishing.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ventodue Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 JR wrote:There's plenty more fish in the sea my son"-----------------------------------------------Oh, so untrue JR! Viz. the cod fishery off the Newfoundland Banks . The fish used to be so abundant, it was said you could walk from boat to boat across the backs of the fish and never get your feet wet! Closed in the '70s due to over-fishing and has never recovered since, and possibly never will ...Btw, there was an interesting piece in the Midi Libre last week. It concerned the owner of a couple of Sete tuna boats who had been killed in a small plane accident in Panama. Nothing of especial note there, you might think ... presumably he was just on holiday.But no. He was actually out there scouting for new places to send his boats now that the Mediterranean fishery has been closed because of repeated violations of catch limits and because the tuna boats can't go fishing in the Indian ocean because of the Somali pirates. Just a single example of the attitude that it's ok to expoilt one natural resource to destruction and simply move onto the next ...But then again, I don't simplistically blame the fishermen. I'm always amazed by the number of people who express concern for the natural environment, but consume tuna (and other pelagic species like swordfish) without a passing thought ...Hey hoCraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Ah well if it was printed in Viz it must be true [:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Open your eyes! Thousands of tons of fish are sucked up each week by industrial boats each week.It is absolutely criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote user="Dog"]From themselves.Yes big fish do steal the lives of little fish - I would welcome a suggestion of how we could educate them so this is not necessary.[/quote]They will need to go to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I see you don't give a toss where your food comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 This thread is sooo extreme.....Of course certain category of fish need to be protected , but there are fishermen who respect international rules !!Dog, I may have a simple reasoning in your view, but fox eats chicken, chicken eats worms, and I eat fish......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Animals do not have the same choices that we do. We do know better and have a choice on what to eat. It seems you have made your choice without regard to other living creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I'm sorry Dog but you don't know me and you can't say that..I buy Label Rouge meat most of the time, and only free range eggs, and in Intermarché you know where the fish comes from .Same thing at the market of course.I have no pb with eating meat or fish, and I am an animal lover.As long as the animal is killed without unecessary suffering I don't see anything wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 [quote user="Dog"]I see you don't give a toss where your food comes from.[/quote]Some from our veg garden, some from Leclerc etc and some from the local markets.Dog, unless you practice Jainism I smell hypocrisy - but you are as entitled to your views as I am to mine.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 He is just winding us up.... Probably had a full english for breakfast including the black pudding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 [:D][:D][:D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ventodue Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 [quote user="Frenchie"] <snip> ... but there are fishermen who respect international rules !![/quote]Yes, Frenchie, of course there are. And these fishermen are very often the best source of information about those fishermen who don't.However, it is also true that international fishing is very difficult, verging on impossible, to police. If we can't manage it here in the Mediterranean or the North Atlantic, we should not expect it to be better in waters that lie off-shore countries which have far fewer resources - Panama or Somalia, for example, when it comes to tuna.As consumers, one step we can take is to select fish which is locally caught and processed. But that can be very difficult to ascertain - I mean, who do you believe? Your local super-market? Really?Having a simple knowledge of what swims off our shores is a good way to start :-). But we should also seek to inform ourselves about species that are widely recognised as being over-fished - cod, haddock, tuna, shark (including dogfish), swordfish, sole, plaice, eel, wild salmon, toothfish etc.For more examples, gohttp://www.endangeredfishalliance.org/news/2007/20071218B.htmhttp://www.greenpeace.org/international/seafood/red-list-of-speciesBut I feel sure you know this already, so I'll shut up now!AmicalementCraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ventodue Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 "J.R's gone native" wrote:Ah well if it was printed in Viz it must be true [:D]--------------------------------------------------------------------I'm not sure why I'm replying to this as it's an obvious troll remark; but, just in case anyone would like to know more about cod and the Newfoundland fishery, one source is:"Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World", by Mark Kurlansky, ISBN 10: 0224051040.AmicalementCraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 [quote user="ventodue"] "J.R's gone native" wrote:Ah well if it was printed in Viz it must be true [:D]--------------------------------------------------------------------I'm not sure why I'm replying to this as it's an obvious troll remark; but, just in case anyone would like to know more about cod and the Newfoundland fishery, one source is:"Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World", by Mark Kurlansky, ISBN 10: 0224051040.AmicalementCraig[/quote]Thats the nicest thing that I have been called for a long time [:D]The book sounds fascinating but I will stick to my Viz annuals as I can always trade them here in France when I finish reading them.If it had been an auto-biography of a cod then I may have been tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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