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I long ago made the transition to a digital camera but I still have a pre-digital SLR (a Canon AE-1) which gave me a lot of enjoyment.

I have an urge to get it out of the cupboard and play with it again.  What is the practicality, and what are the economics, of using a machine like that today?  Can you still buy film, and can you still find people who will develop it and make prints?  Is the whole idea just ridiculous? 

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Thank you.  It looks as though I don't really have a good reason to get the AE-1 back in action.  But I hate the thought of a nice piece of equipment lying neglected at the back of a cupboard.

Something to think about!

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Try Phox. I deal with the local one to where I live. Have just had a load of prints done for an exposition I have comming up (well, two expositions).

I still use film though the film I used to use I can't find locally (Neopan 400). There many photographers that stll use film. I saw a documentary a short while ago featuring the photographer Anita Khemka. One of the cameras she was using was a Nikon F100.
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Hello Balham, I just had a quick look at your blog and one of the photos of an elderly lady sitting in London around 1970 just reminds me of one I took in Paris in 1984.  It's on this page http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/6/815842/ShowPost.aspx#815842

It was fun when we used to post all our photos, but hardly anyone seems to go into that section lately.

 

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I've got a lovely 120 twin lens reflex which I'd love to be able to find a good reason to use again, but I guess it will sit in it's case unused, but not unloved. I think it's a Yashica Mat (with some numbers that I can't remember).
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[quote user="JohnM"]I've got a lovely 120 twin lens reflex which I'd love to be able to find a good reason to use again, but I guess it will sit in it's case unused, but not unloved. I think it's a Yashica Mat (with some numbers that I can't remember).[/quote]

First guess is that it's a Yash 635 -- it had an adapter to use either 35mm or 120 IIRC. I would give it a good home.

On the subject of the thread as a whole, for most people there's no point in going back to film. If you're one of the keen types with access to a darkroom and enjoy sploshing about in hypo then it's a different matter. For anyone who's intending to send their films off for printing I'd say 'don't bother' because the overall cost is high and there is practically zero chance that the results from commercial D&P will look better than digital prints.

I strongly suspect that the few people who believe that film gives a different 'look' from digital could actually achieve the same result with a bit of prodding around in something like lightroom. It would be interesting to do the equivalent of a blind tasting to see how many can pick out film-based images from digital.

By the way, I'm the owner of 3 x 35mm SLRs, two 6x6 120's and a Durst enlarger, but I'm a bit of a luddite in this area.

 

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[quote user="Balham"]But why no future for it (the XD7)? I have a Minolta X700, it has been all over the place with me and I still use it. It is a shame that people give up on older working material.[/quote]

I think that for most people the convenience of digital outweighs the nostalgia value of 'real' cameras. I would guess that most camera users just want something that gives them relable snapshots. Then there are the ones who want to take things further but would have never bothered with a wet darkroom.

There's also the cost factor. Effectively digital photography is free once you've got the kit. With 35mm film it costs  about 25-30p per frame for a 36 exp B&W film and lab development; that's before you get anything printed. Colour costs slightly more. Those prices are based on specialist suppliers & labs in the UK. You wouldn't necessarily save much doing your own processing.

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[quote user="Albert the InfoGipsy"]

On the subject of the thread as a whole, for most people there's no point in going back to film. If you're one of the keen types with access to a darkroom and enjoy sploshing about in hypo then it's a different matter. For anyone who's intending to send their films off for printing I'd say 'don't bother' because the overall cost is high and there is practically zero chance that the results from commercial D&P will look better than digital prints.

I strongly suspect that the few people who believe that film gives a different 'look' from digital could actually achieve the same result with a bit of prodding around in something like lightroom. It would be interesting to do the equivalent of a blind tasting to see how many can pick out film-based images from digital.

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I have a few thousand colour slides accumulated over the decades so I bought a Minolta scanner to digitise them. I now have a few thousand digital images and the main problem is cataloguing them ... but that's another story.

My wife and children didn't like slides, they wanted prints that could be carried around and showed to friends. Occasionally I find an unprocessed negative film which I take to my local Jessops. They have a processing machine in the shop and I ask them to just process the film and not supply prints. I then scan the negatives and get inverted images.

In almost every case I find that it is necessary to tweak the results using Photoshop. It may be that the film gives a "truer" image and that I have been conditioned by the brighter, more vibrant images that my Lumix FZ50 provides.

But film is now old technology, using it is expensive, laborious, complex and subject to catastrophe. I'm more than happy to allow others to sing its praises ... but nostalgia isn't what it used to be ...

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[quote user="Clarkkent"]

In almost every case I find that it is necessary to tweak the results using Photoshop. It may be that the film gives a "truer" image and that I have been conditioned by the brighter, more vibrant images that my Lumix FZ50 provides.[/quote]

That's because photoshop is the digital equivalent of a darkroom. Technically all images require post processing to draw their proper potential out. However, most photos don't deserve it, just the ones that do.

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I think mine is a Yashica Mat 124G, that is from memory as I can't find it at the moment (However, I've just done a search and found a pic that looks like it). I will have to find it as it is often used as a prop whenever the choir I am in sing "Flash Bang Wallop".
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