Justice!

[Tony F Dordogne]

Welcome back Ray, good to see you up to par.

[Cassis]

Surely Zizou must have heard the same insults countless times during his career.

Football in the old days was a game for gentlemen, as this photograph proves.

[IMG]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/cassiscassis/vinniejones.jpg[/IMG]

[billyo]

Who was it that said somthing about doing the crime you pay the time?

What he did despite being provoked was appaling, and he should not recieve any sympathy from the 'authorities' and have the proverbial book thrown at him, despite his ability and popular feeling. I would be syurprised if its the worst thing that has ever been said to someone on a sports pitch, and a man of his experience should be able to hold his temper especially in the world cup final that was more then likely going to go to penalties.

Having said that you have to respect the guy, if your going to go get sent off, get sent off with style!

Billyo

Bring on the slagging...

[Tresco]

[quote user="billyo"]Bring on the slagging...[/quote]

Shouldn't that be 'sledging'?[:P]

[Miki]

[quote user="Cassis"]Surely Zizou must have heard the same insults countless times during his career.

Football in the old days was a game for gentlemen, as this photograph proves.

[IMG]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i26/cassiscassis/vinniejones.jpg[/IMG]

[/quote]

Cough Paul, it may be nothing more than a Hernia..............................

[Harley]

Being the football virgin that I am, is this what is known as "hand ball"?[;-)]

[ali-cat]

[quote user="Harley"]

Being the football virgin that I am, is this what is known as "hand ball"?[;-)]

[/quote]

Harley - you know more about football, than you're letting on!! [:D]

Personnally - I think Zidane was probably, totally wound up - before he set foot on the pitch.  It was to be his last match, the WC final & his swansong.  I'm not surprized he lost it - his emotions must have been ready to explode & all it took was an insult or two - & the Italians, knew it.

[TWINKLE]

The FIFA hearing took place this morning and Zidande had his say.  Looking forward to the outcome. 

[Miki]

Twinks,

Have you read that a few players are now saying Zidane had given them

some vile abuse over the years ? It is what many have known, Zidane has

been abusive to others for many years, just like many other

players have done. For me, it won't ever take away what a great player

he was but this episode will be harmful to him now and whoever gave him

advice (if anyone) it was pretty poor form to nail the Italian,

when he knows he has done the same for many years. I know you don't

like the rcaist remarks, nor do I but, Zidane is a huge name here, as

you know, and he could have played a major part in helping to get

racism out of soccer (and sport of course) and now, well ????????

It will get really hairy if a player gets a severe penalty on the say

so of the person who committed the crime and who tells the disciplinary

board that they did it because so and so said this or that. Leaves it

all wide open to abuse I'm afraid.

So, the result is that Zidane get's a 3 match ban but as he has retired

he will do a  few days work with youngsters on behalf of the FIFA.

Materazzi, admits to making remarks but BOTH agree it was not of a racist nature. So a

precedent has been set that the person sent off can say the chap said

this or that and get the opponent a ban as well. In this instance, he

admitted to sledging (not much choice really, seeing as billions were watching

!!) as it was pretty obvious he had said something to Zidane but in all

the after match furore, journalists and others were quick to condemn it all as

racist and that is what sickened me.

Materazzi got a two match ban,  plus a £2170 fine, only £1000

less than Zidane and just one less match ban than the

offender...........World soccer gone mad !

I also personally find it quite sad and totally unprofessional and as

for FIFA, I wouldn't let them run Sunday soccer, let alone World soccer

!

[Beryl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmstandard/article.html?in_article_id=395777&in_page_id=1766

Is this an accurate reflection of how Zidane has been portrayed in the European press?

You need to click on each image.

I did like the spinning one.

[TWINKLE]

Miki,

Again let me say that I think the both players behaved badly, and I don't care how many times you tell me that this goes on all the time on the pitch - I still say that it should be highlighted and dealt with.

  I hope that this very mediatised incident and hopefully eventual sanctioning will make these highly paid & highly strung players think again before behaving so appallingly in front of millions of impressionable youngsters!

[Tresco]

Well, it looks as though The Italian guy has had a third f the blame apportioned to him, judging by his punishment, compared to Zidanes. I'm not sure of what this will lead to.

Hang on...I see in my crystal ball....players wired up with radio mikes and fleets of officials (and translators) decoding each and every outburst, and relaying them to the audience. Then again I suppose it could shut the players up.

 

[TWINKLE]

[quote user="beryl"]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmstandard/article.html?in_article_id=395777&in_page_id=1766

Is this an accurate reflection of how Zidane has been portrayed in the European press?

You need to click on each image.

I did like the spinning one.

[/quote]

Hi Beryl,

I got that e-mailed to me to-day but there was the Americans view of the incident too on mine. 

 The Daily Mail obviously thought it wouldn't be  a very good idea to show it - here it is

 

 

[Miki]

[quote]

Well, it looks as though The Italian guy has had a third f

the blame apportioned to him, judging by his punishment, compared to

Zidanes. I'm not sure of what this will lead to. [/quote]

Over a third, wasn't it more like two thirds Tresco ? He got two games suspension and 2/3rds of Zidanes fine

[quote]Hang on...I see in my crystal ball....players wired up with

radio mikes and fleets of officials (and translators) decoding each and

every outburst, and relaying them to the audience. Then again I suppose

it could shut the players up.[/quote]

[:D][:D]

And why not go back a few decades and cop a few bob from all the

hassles and verbals in the  Leeds Utd years (CFC were always good

boys of course !)

Seriously though, if Zidane had acted like 99% of all the other

players do, including him on the huge majority of times, then this

would never have gone this far and NO ONE would have been any of the

wiser. Many players Zidane himself abused have said nothing until now.

What happens on the pitch should stay on the pitch. That way kids won't

be harmed and the game continues and gets sorted out along the way. If

anyone doubts that it is, I would not like you to have heard some of

the diabolical shouts at the black players in England in years gone

by............. If the referee or officials hears anything untoward,

then they should (will ?) come down hard on the offender (s). Using

players opinions on occasions like this, could sadly be rife with bias

and possible untruths.

Football will sort itself out with racism, in fact far better I believe,  than in everyday life...............

[Tresco]

[quote user="Miki"][quote]Well, it looks as though The Italian guy has had a third f the blame apportioned to him, judging by his punishment, compared to Zidanes. I'm not sure of what this will lead to. [/quote]

Over a third, wasn't it more like two thirds Tresco ? He got two games suspension and 2/3rds of Zidanes fine [/quote]

Doh. Me and Maths: never adds up. You are right Miki.

[Just Katie]

And a precedent was set! 

Look out not only are we going to have 22 drama queens diving all over the place, they are also going to be sucking their thumbs and pointing fingers at each other.  "Ref but number 10 called me a betsy so I kicked him in the goolies"

Ah well, looks like hubby was right again.  "One day ewe'll realise rugby is better"

RUGBY - The game for hooligans played and followed by gentlemen.

FOOTBALL - The game for gentlemen played and followed by hooligans.

There that lot should throw the spanner in the works.[:-))]

[Harley]

Nice one KKK[:-))]

[Miki]

[quote] RUGBY - The game for hooligans played and followed by gentlemen.

FOOTBALL - The game for gentlemen played and followed by hooligans.[/quote]

Never heard that before....did you just make all that up [;-)] Like

the twist in it but the soccer bit,  is a little too general for my

liking, the kiddies sections at many grounds are really good and as for

the childrens section.........................[:)]

[Just Katie]

[quote user="Miki"]

[quote] RUGBY - The game for hooligans played and followed by gentlemen.

FOOTBALL - The game for gentlemen played and followed by hooligans.[/quote]

Never heard that before....did you just make all that up [;-)]

[/quote]

I make everything up Miki.  Every single bit of gobbledigook that comes out of my mouth is made up.  With no substance whatsoever.

Where is the kiddie section?[blink]

[Patf]

KKK - completely agree with you and your husband. Who wants to watch 22 ------s pratting about and acting the diva only to draw 0-0 - so boring -  when you can watch 30 or 26 real men reaching a score of eg 42-24?  Pat.

[Just Katie]

Patf and Harley, Hubby is a full rugby  boy.  Unfortunately, the rules are a little too complex for me.  I have always been football but to be honest I am now wondering why I cheer these nasty little overpaid, self obsessed brats the way I do. 

 

[Miki]

[quote] I make everything up Miki.  Every single bit of gobbledigook that

comes out of my mouth is made up.  With no substance whatsoever.[/quote]

Don't know what to make of that, still as they say gobbledigook beats fact every time [:)]

[quote]Where is the kiddie section[/quote]

Where the boys sit, wiv their designer clobber and ask each other, who is who out on the pitch !!

[Will]

[quote user="KatieKopyKat"]

RUGBY - The game for hooligans played and followed by gentlemen.

FOOTBALL - The game for gentlemen played and followed by hooligans.

[/quote]

It's certainly a saying that I have heard (and used) many times. Its origins have been lost in the mists of time, though I have seen it attributed to Rudyard Kipling, which I can well believe.

There is a fuller version that goes: 'Soccer - a game for gentlemen played by hooligans; Rugby Union - a game for hooligans played by gentlemen; Cricket - a game for gentlemen played by gentlemen; and Rugby League - a game for hooligans played by hooligans'.

[Beryl]

I like Oscar Wilde's , "Golf, a good walk ruined" or words to that effect.[:)]

[Patf]

Will - I've heard the version you quote. And my favourite to watch is Rugby League. We lived in Hull for most of our adult lives so had 2 teams to choose from. All the aggro goes on on the pitch but there is rarely, if ever, any violence among the supporters. Pat.