Bugsy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Bring back days like these and I, for one, might start watching it again.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv0_aoFdylc Picture quality is not brilliant but well worth a watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Fantastic edge of the seat stuff from real drivers and a million miles away from some of the antiseptic parades we've witnessed over recent years.I used to be an ardent F1 fan but got completely bored with it and had adopted a couldn't care less attitude. I have to say though that the 2006 series was probably the best of the new millenium and now with Schumacher gone maybe things will look up even more in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Wow, real overtaking! Haven't seen much in the way of that for a while. It would be nice to get back to the excitement of years ago. Like you Ernie, I went from being an ardent fan to not so bothered. It really needs to change. Not sure that Schuey getting out of the cockpit, will make a lot of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Yes, it still can be exciting, but under the present system so much depends on team tactics. In some ways that adds to the interest, but it does mean that races are won or lost in the pits as much as on the track. For no other reason than the sheer cost in terms of human life I would hate to return to the old regime - the dilemma is that F1 is, by definition, the highest pinnacle in the sport, but it cannot be allowed to become too fast.For excitement on the track, then the lower formulae still have a lot to offer. Though I think the ultimate for on-track excitement used to be the F2 and F3 races at the old Crystal Palace track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 [quote user="Will "] For excitement on the track, then the lower formulae still have a lot to offer. Though I think the ultimate for on-track excitement used to be the F2 and F3 races at the old Crystal Palace track.[/quote]I course I'm biased, but the most exiting circuit racing on the planet these days is Moto-GP and Superbike. (sliding a bike at 200 mph under complete control)This is followed by the World Rally Championship (probably the finest exponants of vehicle control in the world)and for pure Petrol-heads, Top Fuel Drag Racing. (0 to 100mph in 0.74 of a second - 350 mph in under four seconds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperlola Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 In answer to the question - yes. This would be the sixties and seventies, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I know that even nostalgia ain't what it used to be but - yes. So let's go back to no driver to pit communication no computer links just pit boardsthe old Le Mans style sprint across the road startsleather helmets and silk scarves ?Brooklands and banked circuits (Di's contribution)Perhaps I am even older than I pretend.Johnnot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINKLE Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Gary!Sweetheart will you PLEASE put a C in you thread title so that the word reads exCiting?Sorry - but I've been hanging out with Dick all morning[:$] God that sounds terrible....I meant to say I've been in the company of Mr Smith. That's even worse....ok - you know what I mean!I remember Formular 1 being scary and I think it still is[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Dordogne Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Ummmmmmmm - no, not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastines Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Slightly off track,to coin a phrase.As Iceni mentioned Brooklands, I wonder if anyone out there had any contact/dealings with Brooklands Aviation/. Based in Northants at The Booth and Sywell Aerodrome?Regards.5 mins St.Malo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 No, but there is a museum at what is left of the track, and they have the Napier Railton and a lot of aviation exhibits there.It's only when you try to walk up the banking that you realise what a brutal place it must have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedon Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 [quote user="Gary "][quote user="Will "] For excitement on the track, then the lower formulae still have a lot to offer. Though I think the ultimate for on-track excitement used to be the F2 and F3 races at the old Crystal Palace track.[/quote]I course I'm biased, but the most exiting circuit racing on the planet these days is Moto-GP and Superbike. (sliding a bike at 200 mph under complete control)This is followed by the World Rally Championship (probably the finest exponants of vehicle control in the world)and for pure Petrol-heads, Top Fuel Drag Racing. (0 to 100mph in 0.74 of a second - 350 mph in under four seconds)[/quote]Have to agree with you Gary, Moto GP and Superbikes every time. You can put a novice driver in the best GP car and he could finish in the top 3, but put a novice on the best bike and he would finish at the back. I was lucky enough to see Mike Hailwood, on his Honda 6 cylinder 250cc, lap everybody in the unlimited class at Brands Hatch in the 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 I'm trying to Twinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINKLE Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 [quote user="Gary "]I'm trying to Twinks[/quote]I'm sorry - did my I miss something Gary?[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINKLE Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Oh! You mean the C? Never mind[:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Katie Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Round and round................yawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINKLE Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Yeah......but........round and round then BOOM! Awake and scared again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Smith Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Never mind! NEVER MIND!And there's me thinking you were on my side...Back to topic - there was a lot of good racing under the 1961-1965 1.5 litre formula, and in the early years of the 3 litre formula when there was engine parity and materials technology essentially limited advanced chassis design. There was also a frightening death toll and races were disorganised and in some cases lethally so. Not just in F1 - imagine the Mulsanne Straight at the best part of 300kph in the dark with no armco...Then along came Bernie and there was light. There was TV money and the tobacco companies were in - Phillip Morris more or less supported GP racing in the early 70s. The counterpart of that was a need for a consistent product, at the same time as a general move towards safety.That safety move showed an underlying deep change in racing. Previously, in the words of a 30s race organiser Johnny Lurani, "we gave them a circuit and it was their job to stay on it" - in other words each individual driver had to make a decision about how much risk they were prepared to take, balanced against speed. Of course, if a wheel fell off... By the 1970s professional drivers such as Jackie Stewart wanted something else. They wanted to be able to push their machinery as far as possible, and if they pushed too far to have a cushion to help them. Perhaps the difference between a sport and a business?I don't equate risk with excitement - I've seen fatal accidents and they aren't entertaining. But professionalism has led to an attitude, certainly with men like Ron Dennis, that a perfect race is getting pole position and driving away unchallenged into the distance. Preferably with a team-mate following behind to keep any challenger to 3rd place. I'm not sure I see the same attitude in the IRL, ChampCar or NASCAR. Given the huge sums invested the Dennis attitude is hardly surprising.So, garagistes make exciting racing (and cars - anyone remember the Eifelland?) but don't keep the business going. Manufacturers spend enough, but they aren't interested in competition, only domination.If you want evidence of that, and how bad F1 could get in the future, see here. Manufacturers want driver aids, fans don't - who wins? Have a guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Anglia Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Yes, F1 was exciting around the time that rallying was too. That was before REAL rallies were cut from 5 day events to 3 day daylight only events with special spectator stages.And before BIG manufacturers like Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, were allowed to enter the main class with thinly disguised prototype cars[:@]I defy anyone to go into a Ford dealer, and buy their rally car, or even one using PART of the technology, apart from the shell. Even the Ford four wheel drive system bears no relationship to their rally car.Or to walk into a Citroen dealer or a Pug dealer, and order a 4wd road car.............they'd laugh at you.Nope, it's ALL about money now, like most things in this world.My cousin entered the old RAC rally in the mid-70's with a car he and a mate built, a Simca Rallye 2. He finished, and came 80th out of over 200 entrants. How much would it cost to enter now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastines Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 As an add on re car specials.My father was works manager at Brooklands Aviation for many years and one of the bonuses of tearing around Sywell aerodrome was the use of Jowett Javelin cars. At one time I think they had 13 of them, in various stages of use and repair. I was offered one when I lived at Sywell but declined as I hadn't reached the legal driving age. Wish I had one now.I believe they were the first aerodynamic designed car.Regards. 5 Mins St. Malo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Redman Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Not sure about banked circuits they seem to put a premium on power and exact placement rather than anything else. Apart from the model pre historic monsters a walk round Cristal Palace used to be quite interesting. Circuit does not look wide enough to drive a Ford Galaxy (NB spelling) let alone overtake an Anglia.Anybody else remember the Escort Mexico race in which they were foolish enough to invite the F1 constructors to compete. Jack Brabham, Colin Chapman, Ken Tyrell and possibly Bruce Maclaren. Identically prepared cars and nodody givng an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonzjob Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I don't remember the Mexico race, but I do remember the Brands F1 pre-runner where the F1 drivers had a TRACTOR race and the average lap speed was almost double the top rated speed for the tractors. See graham Hill standind up in the cab coming off of Devils downhill to Southbank doing about 50 mph in a tractor and passing at the bottom.Things to Change in F1. Some are stated above, But yes get rid of the radio connection of any kind between driver and pits and let the driver drive the car. Put a gear change lever back so the driver has to change gear (what a novel idea [8-)]?)Fill the car with fuel at the beginning of the race with enough to get to the end and not make it an economy trial. So if a car is thirsty then it carries more fuel (weight).Let the car run the race with the same tyres, but with the option to change the tyres and ban stickies.Have more than one tyre manufacturer, possibly more than two (come back Pyrelli!)Allow a car to 'run light' in qualifieing to get the grid position. Also ban 'parking' on the circuit as per Kraut Cobbblers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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