rosier en tige ou en boule

[mint]

I have now found a rose that I am going to plant in memory of my dog and beneath which I shall bury her ashes.

What I really want is to make the plant into one of those on a stem with a "head of flowers".  We do have lots of roses so this one has to be a stand out affair.

I HAVE seen the rose I have chosen in a garden centre but I am not sure of its quality.  Can someone explain whether I can buy a rose plant and train it into one of these en tige ones or are they special, grafted plants to make them grow up into miniature trees?

Any place where I might get a rosier as described would be much appreciated.  Thank you.

[woolybanana]

Morning Nimt. If you mean a standard rose, then they are grafted usually.

Check in your area to see if there is a rose growing specialist who might offer a better plant or a wider variety. For standard stuff, Gamm vert ar ok.

If you can get a bare root plant and put it in right away, it is cheaper.

[richard51]

I'm certainly not an expert but does this help?

http://blog.roses-guillot.com/quest-ce-quun-rosier-tige/

[mint]

Thanks, guys, I have tracked it down to one single supplier (for the tige, the regular bush is easy enough to get) but, alas, availability is limited, not enough stock it seems.

Will have to keep trying though I have ordered another rosier tige....just to see how it will look!

[Patf]

I'm no expert on roses either, but I think you're just within the time limit for planting. Before the first frosts.

We lost most of ours to deer, (eating the buds), so put the survivors in pots next to the house.

[mint]

OK, can I plant it in a pot and transfer it later?

Do you know what these rosier tiges is called in English?  If I knew what they are called, I can find a UK specialist?

[woolybanana]

Rosier tige = standard rose. Have a look at David Austin Roses.

[Noisette]

Hi Mint, they are standard roses. I think sometimes they're grafted twice, once low down and then again under the head. There are a lot of rose nurseries round here (47). If you PM me the variety name, I could enquire about availability. Oups, sorry WB...crossed posts :-)

[richard51]

Should think so but, hey, no expert.

For UK, David Austin is well accepted as fantastic. Look on their website and you will get an idea what is available.

NB We have been in our UK house for 30+ years. After three kids and associated animals we are struggling to find appropriate places. A catkin, for example, has outgrown its initially ample site.

Hopefully the guy curled up next to me, and yes is on the settee, will move from here with us.l Labrador X from dogs home btw.

[woolybanana]

Well, we didnt think it was Norman, though cross is the right word!

[richard51]

Crossed again - but from previous posts the nutty one is the expert - guess which!

[mint]

Thank you for all your further replies.  Standard rose....yes, you said that in your first reply, Wools.....getting doddery, me[:-))]

Noisette, thank you for your kind offer.  I am after a Scentimental and also quite like Elle but Scentimental is like my dog....beautiful, resistant, eye-catching and sweet-smelling.  Well, she always smelt sweet to me.  In fact, I found a pile of her towels in the garage 2 days ago and oh, the memory of burying my face in her fur and smelling her........it's just such a HUGE loss and I don't know how I shall ever really get over her death.

Last year was a year of big, big losses for me but my dog was by far the biggest.

[richard51]

Mint - we lost our previous dog (after 15 years) last year and planted his ashes in our garden under an established shrub.

We decided not to have another but after 7 months and lots of discussion we did have another. Youngest son looks after him when we can't.

NB main advantage to not having another, we thought, was lack of dog hairs in the house but hey we got a better cleaner (for me to use).

[woolybanana]

Nimt, roses like a good start to life. One of the best things to shove in the hole you dig is called mycorrhizal fungi, proprietory name is Rootgrow. So I am told.

[grumpyaudeman]

Hi

Roses are interesting the root stocks are selected to pump up sap to certain heights you can get most flower heads on bush.standard and climbing roots, which rose do you like

For a small standard I think any variety can be trained as you wish

[Loiseau]

Gosh, I am flabbergasted to see how much standard roses cost! I went on the David Austin French site, where they are 49 euros. Thinking that was a huge amount, i looked at Meilland and other French growers, but even the non-Austin ones are at least 39 euros.

They do look stunning, though...

[nomoss]

If you are feeling ambitious you could try grafting your own.

It was my stepfather's hobby, and we would spend a lot of time in the hedges and woods searching for suitable stock.

For a standard you look in fairly thick undergrowth for a sturdy stem (sucker), of about 1/2" diameter or more, which has been forced to grow straight and vertical by its surroundings, carefully dig out the roots for about 8 - 12", plant it in the garden in the desired spot, and leave it a year or so to get established before grafting on your own choice of bud(s).

Quite a bit of work for 39€[:D]

[mint]

[quote user="woolybanana"]Nimt, roses like a good start to life. One of the best things to shove in the hole you dig is called mycorrhizal fungi, proprietory name is Rootgrow. So I am told.[/quote]

Wools, this stuff that you mention, where do you buy it?

From your description, it's to get the rosier started, is that right?

My rose is on its way so I have been prowling Leclerc this afternoon and I bought some engrais rosiers but I think that's more for feeding it after planting rather than starting it off.

All advice gratefully received[:)]

[mint]

OK, found it now.  It's called mycorhize in French[:D]

[woolybanana]

Yep, thats right Nimt.

Couldnt reply earlier as was getting the CdeS sorted out in Arras and was then at the Australian 1WW Memorial. Very moving.

[Noisette]

I'm glad you found one, Mint. I trawled the websites and a couple of rose nurseries locally, but none of them stock it.

Tip from the Pres of the former Royal National Rose Society: Give it a deep mulch of well-rotted each year, if you can, keeping it away from the stem, of course :-)

[mint]

Noisette, many, many thanks.  But no, I haven't yet found Scentimental but I have bought another one just to try it out.  Will carry on searching and may well find one in the spring.  Could always go back to the jardinerie where I first saw it.

That mycorhize can apparently be found under virtually all trees.  If it stops raining tomorrow and I manage a walk in woods, I'll have a look at some tree roots.

[mint]

Well, my rosier arrived yesterday, beautifully packaged and looked in excellent health.  There is a nice long tige, the roots were bound up in a straw ball and there are several mini branches with everything nicely waxed at the top.

I also had a calamondin miniature orange to go in the verandah and hope for scented orange flowers in the spring.

Bought some dried horse manure to go round the roots and a big bag of compost but, alas it's been a grotty day with fierce wind and a fine, persistent rain so no planting today.  On the plus side, by tomorrow the ground should be soft and damp and easy to dig a hole in.

Thanks again to everyone who's come forward with advice[:)]

[Patf]

Bon plantation, or whatever it is in french. Are you planting it in open soil? Sounds like it.

We would have buried the ashes of our little sweetheart in the garden, but were leaving.

[woolybanana]

Could you not have found a little spot for dickdick?