Jazzer Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I have seen it mentioned on another thread, but I understand that under the loi Grenelle 2 no.2010-788 it is required that from Jan 2011 all property ad's for sale and rental, display the results of the energy classification from the DPE report.Does anyone know who may undertake such work in Dept 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fi Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I could see the relevance of the energy rating for a long-term tenancy, but what possible value would it have for a gite rental (i.e. very short-term)? Nothing would surprise me though! Got to keep all those bureaucrats off the streets till their lovely fat pensions kick in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSLIV Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 This confirms that if a property is rented out for more than 4 months per year then a DPE is required.http://www.diagnostic-de-performance-energetique.com/dpe-location-saisonniere.html It also includes a facility to search for DPE surveyors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 Quite.If you are letting for a week, or 2 weeks at a time, and certainly if the cost of heating etc and you do not make a charge for heating etc, it seems extremely pointless.The other point I am not sure about is whether you have to display the rating in ads with British companies or just those advertising in France, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fi Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I wonder if you could use the report given when the house was bought. It was already converted so I have separate reports for the apartments. probably not.....One wonders what purpose it serves ....... would the energy-rating of a holiday property really affect your decision to rent it or not? Or is it simply more Big Bother stuff, so a few years down the line they can insist you make expensive changes to your own property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 What effect does an uninsulated, un covered, heated swimming pool have, the must have accessory?All EU countries are committed to lowering Co2 emissions so that's pretty much it, although multifoil insulation is apparently not accepted by the authorities as insulation (by whose authority do these backward thinkers exist) although the product (Actis) is not only made in France and is accepted as equivalent to 210mm of rock wool or glass fibre elsewhere. Maybe people with woodburners could do some carbon trading (as big business does) as their heating is carbon neutral compared to purchasers of oil or gas central heating or hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote user="Fi"]I wonder if you could use the report given when the house was bought. It was already converted so I have separate reports for the apartments. probably not.....[/quote]The DPE reports are valid for 10 years, so yes you could use the ones you were given when you bought the place if you bought within this time. Of course, if you've made improvements to your energy consumption you might want to commission new ones.A DPE is likely to cost 100-250€ depending on the type & size of the property, there is no fixed fee scaleTo find an expert, look under yellow pages (pagesjaunes.fr) or on google.fr for "diagnostic immobilier". Always get a written quote before giving instructions to proceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote user="Théière"]What effect does an uninsulated, un covered, heated swimming pool have, the must have accessory?[/quote]The DPE on a house sale or rent does not cover or include the swimming pool. For full technical info go to the ADEME website, or if you're really into technical stuff look at "La méthode de calcul des Consommations Conventionnelles des Logements (3CL)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Théière Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote user="Polly"][quote user="Théière"] What effect does an uninsulated, un covered, heated swimming pool have, the must have accessory?[/quote]The DPE on a house sale or rent does not cover or include the swimming pool. For full technical info go to the ADEME website, or if you're really into technical stuff look at "La méthode de calcul des Consommations Conventionnelles des Logements (3CL)"[/quote]Sorry Polly, I must stop using sarcasm on line, it was me having a dig back at bureaucracy. You could have a superbly insulated dwelling and no insulation on a heated pool which would pretty much negate any saving on the house. Policy makers really ought to get a grip on the real world.Thank you for the info, I thought it was every 5 years so that's cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 And how long does a C.P.E on the other thread last?[:D](contrat première embauche) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 [quote user="pachapapa"]And how long does a C.P.E on the other thread last?[:D](contrat première embauche)[/quote]wiki it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfblind Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Or one could approach it as most french gite owners will and in line with other french reaction to bureaucracy from either the EU or their government and completely ignore it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fi Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 until you get a letter telling you to extract your digit (as in SPANC inspections....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Interesting to read on the thread"diagnostique" that the article from FPN mentions that it is only long term lets rather than holiday lets that are covered. Before we all start shelling out euros, does anyone know if this is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 [quote user="Jazzer"]Interesting to read on the thread"diagnostique" that the article from FPN mentions that it is only long term lets rather than holiday lets that are covered. Before we all start shelling out euros, does anyone know if this is correct?[/quote]Your assumption that a holiday let for a few weeks would qualify for drawing up a "bail de location" is a tad onerous,quoi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 [quote user="Jazzer"]Interesting to read on the thread"diagnostique" that the article from FPN mentions that it is only long term lets rather than holiday lets that are covered. Before we all start shelling out euros, does anyone know if this is correct?[/quote]Your assumption that a holiday let for a few weeks would qualify for drawing up a "bail de location" is a tad onerous,quoi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybanana Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 quoi, quoi[6]The ducks are back early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 I see the relevant text is "La location saisonnière est concernée dès lors que le logement est loué au moins quatre mois consécutifs ou non dans l'annéeI am told that this 4 month period is not necessarily the lease period but the total length of time the property is rented out per year- it can be comprised of weekly and monthly rentals. Any property that rents for less than 4 months in total per year will not require a DPE to be shown.However I am unsure whether you need one if you only advertise with UK companies for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachapapa Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Correct the 4 months can be accumulated consecutively or non consecutively.Frankly no idea of advertising in UK, but in principle if the PDE applies to a sale or let advertised in the UK, etc it would also apply to a short term let.What are the advertisers of Ski Lodges doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owens88 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote user="Fi"]until you get a letter telling you to extract your digit (as in SPANC inspections....)[/quote]I thought that was only in La Jonquera? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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