ecodesign Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have yet to read the entire Forum!But I note concerns re tenants.I am looking for a 12 month position. Note the phraseology.I understand owners' concerns re tenancy.. as I have been owner of several rental properties in Ecosse, NZ etc. and am still letting. I will be buying again in France, a ruin to restore.. encore.I was trying to see the owner in the role of employer which might over-ride any legal rights of a "tenant"e.g.I propose that I might be engaged for various services .. from measure-up, plans and design consultancy to videoing or photographing to care-taking..I agree to allow deductions from my (very reasonable) fees (which are paid in arrears, as is usual with such) for owners costs during my occupancy to include rates, insurance, etc., ..but no , I think (in the event of a breakdown..) le juge would say it is still a tenancy as a consideration is being paid in kind. Tant pis! As usual, the best security will possibly be using an agent or third party, viewing good references, obtaining a large bond and acting, as soon as the law allows, should the rent not be paid when due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEO Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Hi David , where do you live at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tresco Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 [quote user="DavidBro"] I have yet to read the entire Forum!But I note concerns re tenants.I am looking for a 12 month position. Note the phraseology.I understand owners' concerns re tenancy.. as I have been owner of several rental properties in Ecosse, NZ etc. and am still letting. I will be buying again in France, a ruin to restore.. encore.I was trying to see the owner in the role of employer which might over-ride any legal rights of a "tenant"e.g.I propose that I might be engaged for various services .. from measure-up, plans and design consultancy to videoing or photographing to care-taking..I agree to allow deductions from my (very reasonable) fees (which are paid in arrears, as is usual with such) for owners costs during my occupancy to include rates, insurance, etc., ..but no , I think (in the event of a breakdown..) le juge would say it is still a tenancy as a consideration is being paid in kind. Tant pis! As usual, the best security will possibly be using an agent or third party, viewing good references, obtaining a large bond and acting, as soon as the law allows, should the rent not be paid when due.[/quote] Reply deleted due to lack of comprehension (mine).[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecodesign Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 Sorry, Tresco, not meaning to confuse.Thanks for reading...what I am trying to say..Noting in a quick survey of this section of the forum, owners' concerns over rights and protections accorded by French law to tenants..(and being about to become a tenant myself, unless I camp, most uncomfortably, in my about to be acquired ruin)Primarily, I was looking at a means to assuage any nervous of landlords and prospective landlords, by establishing a possible mutually beneficial "arrangement" that should.. for example, an occupant have a nervous breakdown and become "the occupier from HELL".... (not me , of course!) ....the occupancy might be judged to be an "employee/employer" relationship.. eg concierge etc.. rather than a tenancy.In my case ..I think only if I was able to render services over the value of the occupancy.. then it might work.Not a loophole in the law... maybe just another loi that might apply and would take precidence!Where are the avocats when you need one? ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecodesign Posted February 18, 2008 Author Share Posted February 18, 2008 Oor Wullie and Leo, Presently en Nouvelle Zealand .. installing a solar water heater and child shade area (UVB extra high down under)En route in about 2 months.Regards, Pa Broon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOther Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I'm with you Tresco [8-)] [:)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groslard Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I don't think that anybody really sees what you are getting at, but as a general principle, forget all prior experiences, don't try to bring them with you, and accept the way things are done in France.I doubt you will make precedent under the code Napoléon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert the InfoGipsy Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Having looked a few times at your question it seems to boil down to 'Can I live somewhere & be treated as an employee.'Answer 1: I don't knowAnswer 2: If you can do it then your 'employer' would probably be liable for a fortune in cotisations, even if you only live rent free and don't receive any money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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