Mr Wiggy Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 As the BEEB no longer has the rights to the MOTO GPs and Channel 4 only shows half an hour from the last race from the world super bikes, I thought that I would switch to French TV. I’m at present using a spare HD TV as a monitor but now I intend to use it as a TV again and purchased a Humax TN7000HD TNTSAT Canal Ready decoder. My intension is to use the internet as a connection to the box. I did speak to a couple of uk companies here but because of the complexity of installing a second dish I was advised to do a line check which came out quite favourably. Ping 24MS, Download Speed, 18.62Mbps. Upload Speed 0.8Mbps. Once this was known I was strongly advised to go down this route, so when everything is connected, would I need to contact Canal to activate the supplied card? Please keep thing simple guys, I'm no Techy by any means. All replies will be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Not sure what you mean when you say that you intend to "use the internet as a connection to the box" ??The TNTSAT service is French digital TV only via a satellite dish pointing to Astra 1 satellite 19.0E. i.e. it does not work any other way.You can't get the TV via internet with this box.You do not need to contact anyone to activate the card. The card allows access to the channels on the TNTSAT service that are encrpyted.These are the main channels available using this receiverhttp://www.tntsat.tv/chaines-tv-services-tnt-sat/chaines-gratuites-tnt.htmYou will need to rethink this one to get to French TV.If you do not want to have a(nother) dish, is it possible to have a rooftop aerial for French TV? In this case, the Humax box serves no purpose, of course. The aerial cable would go straight in to the TV.What channel(s) do you want to receive?Anything else like ABmoteurs ot Motors TV will involve a subscription and may be available via your internet providers TV service.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Department71 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I think if Mr Wiggy wants to watch MotoGP via Canal+ he will have to subscribe to that channel it seems most of the sport is now on Canal+ its like Sky sports they want their pound of flesh from you.For watching the normal French programs this way, no you don't need to authorise the card. The only thing needed is in the future you have to re-apply for a new card as they are valid for about 3-4 years, I know as I have just had to re-apply for ours, it cost I think 12 Euros.One other option may be possible, is the MotoGP on German tv as well? it may be in the clear, if so your Humax should be able to pick up those transmissions, my TNT box certainly picked up last years F1 from the German channels and in the UK too. Hopefully this year F1 won't be scrambled on the German channel, we shall see.Good luck Mr Wiggy.Edit.... Would the internet side of it be just be for catchup tv? do the French actually do catchup like BBC iplayer etc. I have a Humax freesat box in the UK and thats what we use the internet side if it for. One great thing with my box is you can attach a hard drive to the box via usb and use it to record programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wiggy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 As I said, I contacted several UK TV installation specialists to ask this very question, after all there is TV on other formats as well as satellites. When discussing the complications of installing a second satellite dish the costs were not acceptable as the quotes that I had received were way over 300-400€. Several of these certainly didn’t scoff but suggested that I did a line test to see if it was a viable option. Ping 24Ms, Download Speed 18.62Mbps, Upload speed 0.88Mbps. with the use of a VDSL which would replace the 10Mbps ADSL with an ultra fast VDSL unit of up to 300Mbps which would enable the watching of TV online. It's all out there, it's just a matter of looking. It took me an awful lot of searching to find out that I could Watch TV via the internet. I can buy a VDSL for less than a 100€ so will settle for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I have sneaky feeling you can do ths for just the cost of buying the channel you want but to explain it would be helpful if you can answer two questions.1) Is this for use in France?2) If so who is your ISP in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wiggy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Hi Quillan.Yes it is for use here, and secondly, I'm with Orange and they actually supply these VDSLs, not that I will use one of theirs I shall buy my own from Amazon, they have quite a lot for sale. I did omit to say that, the Humax box comes with Canal Plus ready with a card that is valid for four years.If you do a search then you will find lots of information on these VDSLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Thank you for a quick reply.The next question is which package do you have, i.e. what is your monthly charge including livebox. (We are almost there) [;-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 While I was waiting for a reply I took up your suggestion and researched the TN7000HD TNTSAT box.The Humax TN7000HD does not receive Canal by Internet it must be via a dish.UK Humax and French Humax boxes are quite different to each other. A French Humax box requires a card to activate it for both free and paid for French TV. This is because all French TV via satellite is scrambled regardless of if it is free or not. The card does have a lifespan, typically four years although my Orange decoder card has not been changed in eight years and still works. Your box will only receive Canal programs if you buy a package which to keep it simple is like buying Sky TV so it is not free.If you are paying around 39 Euros (or more) a month the Orange chances are you have the Internet, TV and Phone package and as such get a free decoder and can buy individual channels from them as well as getting all the normal free French TV programs. The type of decoder they will send you depends on your internet speed which if correct means they will send you a box that receives TV via the Internet and no dish is required. They, like other ISP's have a deal with Canal to rebroadcaste certain chanels, mainly sport.At the beginning of this section of the forum is an English speaking help desk number for Orange so you can check with them. My personal experience is that it is quicker, once you have found out which box you need, to order it online through your account. I don't know about the card these days, we had to pay a 40 Euros refundable deposit for the card but, as I said, the decoder was free.If on the other hand you want to go down the Humax route you will have to get another dish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSLIV Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 To add Canal+ to a Satellite (Orange or TNT) package or to an Orange ADSL TV subscription will cost around 39 Euros per month, though you will probably qualify for an initial 6 month offer of 24 Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneySuckleDreams Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Can I ask a stupid question ?Why is it necessary to have a 2nd dish, surely the 1st one could be punted into the correct direction. Even if the astra 2 (uk freeview) stuff is wanted as well, there are LNB brackets you can buy to point to multi-satellites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 [quote user="Mr Wiggy"]As I said, I contacted several UK TV installation specialists to ask this very question, after all there is TV on other formats as well as satellites. When discussing the complications of installing a second satellite dish the costs were not acceptable as the quotes that I had received were way over 300-400€. Several of these certainly didn’t scoff but suggested that I did a line test to see if it was a viable option. Ping 24Ms, Download Speed 18.62Mbps, Upload speed 0.88Mbps. with the use of a VDSL which would replace the 10Mbps ADSL with an ultra fast VDSL unit of up to 300Mbps which would enable the watching of TV online. It's all out there, it's just a matter of looking. It took me an awful lot of searching to find out that I could Watch TV via the internet. I can buy a VDSL for less than a 100€ so will settle for that.[/quote][quote user="Mr Wiggy"]I'm with Orange and they actually supply these VDSLs, not that I will use one of theirs I shall buy my own from Amazon, they have quite a lot for sale. I did omit to say that, the Humax box comes with Canal Plus ready with a card that is valid for four years.If you do a search then you will find lots of information on these VDSLs. [/quote]It seems you are not clear about certain matters here.The card supplied with the Humax box only decrypts the channels I linked to before. i.e. the TNT channelsThe Humax box you have bought is only useful as a door stop without a functioning satellite dish.All the main French Internet providers offer a TV service by internet if the line is capable. As I asked, what channels do you want to watch??VDSL is just a slightly different version of internet service (as opposed to ADSL) for lines closer to the exchange where it can increase the connection speed. THis will not not really make much difference to your ability to receive TV by internet.VDSL is not an object you buy; it is a technomogy used by the ISP to deliver your internet service via the telephone line.Unless you know which channels you want to receive we can't tell you anything really useful.You will have to pay (i.e monthly subscription) to receive certain channels no matter whether it is by internet or satellite.What is the 100 euros to buy a VDSL or "these VDSLs" about? I feel that something is amiss here. Please give us a link so we know what you mean. I am mystified [8-)][8-)]Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 [quote user="HoneySuckleDreams"]Can I ask a stupid question ?Why is it necessary to have a 2nd dish, surely the 1st one could be punted into the correct direction. Even if the astra 2 (uk freeview) stuff is wanted as well, there are LNB brackets you can buy to point to multi-satellites [/quote]Yes, HSD is correct, you can add a second LNB on a bracket to the same dish to receive French TV from Astra 1 sat without too much hassle. It may cost a fair bit if you are not doing it yourself though. [Www]It still won't receive anything other than the TNT channels and much dross on the same sat.. [:-))]Without knowing what channel is wanted, we can't offer much help.Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSLIV Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 This package would probably be cheaper than Canal+ at 199 Euros for the year.https://secure.motogp.com/en/Subscribe?utm_source=motogp.com&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=Strip&utm_campaign=2015_QatarAssuming that it's not blocked in France.Incidentally it amuses me when I see the price of this package, for one sport, when I hear people getting worked up about either the French or UK licence fee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Isnt the simplest, least complicated and probably least expensive way to recieve Canal + simply to use your existing ariel?You will need a decoder, I think they call them Le Cube and they are pretty cheap, free installation as well or at least it was quite recently.Apparently you can hook it up to your ADSL via Wi-Fi to Watch catch up TV, I'm sure that will cause you some grief if you if you are determined to have complication in your life [:P] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSLIV Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Having done some further digging it seems that Moto GP is in fact shown on Eurosport which in France, since January, is only available via Canalsat , which is received either via adsl or satellite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wiggy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 As I First said I’m a complete novice when it comes to electronics, I was looking for some input from you people as this started as an idea for an alternative as opposed to a satellite, some of the companies I emailed hadn’t got a clue then on the other hand others where very clued up on this subject and claim that VDSL is a good alternative to satellite. The Humax decoder that I purchased comes with a Canal Sat & Canal+ ready with a card that is valid for 4 years.As far as input goes the only persons to come up with a viable alternative are Honeysuckledream and Chancer who both suggested an LNB bracket for multi satellites. As I stated, I’m looking for ideas and this VDSL seemed like a better alternative but will certainly look at this sugestion.Definition: VDSL was developed to support exceptionally high-bandwidth applications such as High-Definition Television (HDTV). VDSL is not as widely deployed as other forms of DSL service. However, VDSL can achieve data rates up to approximately 51,840 Kbps, making it the fastest available form of DSL., VDSL relies on fiber optic cabling. VDSL is designed to work more as a business service that uses ATM internetworking rather than as a consumer service that utilizes IP. VDSL supports both voice and data communication on the same line, like other forms of DSL.Also like most DSL technology, the performance of VDSL depends significantly on the physical distance traversed by wires: Shorter distances mean faster networking. The technology was originally named VADSL ('A' for asymmetric), but VDSL has now been improved and can operate in either symmetric and asymmetric modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Sorry to the other posters for duplicating but thought I would try and make it even simpler. OK VDSL is how the internet gets to your house. It has nothing to do with the equipment inside your house.You will need to ask Orange to give you VDSL (they have to do something in the exchange) and also to give you a different type of LiveBox. HD TV needs a minimum of 4MBs and standard definition above 2MB's so it would seem you already have the bandwidth (internet speed). If you don't have a fibre connection to your house then you are restricted by distance from the exchange as to it's availability. For example I am 4km from the exchange and can't have it. You can check by going to the Orange website and entering your phone number. Alternatively you can contact Orange via the English speaking hotline. There is an extra charge per month involved, or there was last year.Most British 'experts' in France know little about French TV systems because their prime and probably only business is installing UK TV here in France. In many cases their technical ability is limited to the length of ferry crossing and how much of the test/alignment equipment manual they can read in that time. WE do however have some on our forum who watch French TV and know how it works.The Humax card that is CanalSat and Canal+ ready. All this means is if you want to have the same (but French version) type of thing as Sky back in the UK (Films, Sports etc) you can sign a contract with CanalSat/Canal+ and once activated you will not require a new card. You can do this withing the four years of buying and activating the box. A UK scenario would be to imagine that you don't have to buy a Sky box to watch Sky TV. You could get a Sky card and plug it into your Humax box or your Humax box could come with a card that could be activated by Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Does France have a catchup tv service like Iplayer? never heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 http://www.tv-replay.fr/Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillan Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Orange calls it VOD (Video on Demand) and you can access it through their decoder from your TV. It jumbles everything together some stuff is films etc and you also have palyback. I have never used it and don't know how much content it has so I don't have a clue exactly how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 [quote user="Mr Wiggy"] As far as input goes the only persons to come up with a viable alternative are Honeysuckledream and Chancer who both suggested an LNB bracket for multi satellites. [/quote]Actually I suggested to keep it simple and recieve Canalsat via your television aerial, if its Canalsat and only Canalsat that has the channel then my advice is of no use to you.Are you sure that it isnt on Canal+?Coincidentally Free wrote to ma again today asking me to upgrade to Canal+ for "only" €20 per month for the first year, €40 thereafter.Nearly €500 a year [:-))], nothing I can think of would be Worth that much to me but then you dont miss what you have never had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I am lost as to why it seems so complicated.Just to watch ordinary French TV on the Internethttp://pluzz.francetv.fr/ choose 'En Direct' and it will play.You can catch up with the 'En Replay' optionFor Arte there is Arte + 7http://www.arte.tv/guide/fr/plus7/?em=051131-034This won't get you Canal +For that:Get a triple-play from Orange such as http://abonnez-vous.orange.fr/residentiel/accueil.aspx (only fibre if that is laid to your house which is unlikely outside large towns)and add a Canalplus subscriptionI use Free in Town and SFR in the country and both work fine at 10+ mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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