NormanH Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I have seen posts by people under 60, who should apply to the MPHH, and I have seen posts about bringing over benefits from the UK, but does anyone know the procedure for being recognised as handicapped after the age of 60 here in France?The MPHH deals with under 60 and there is information about what happens at 60 to people who already have their 'carte', but I am not sure where to apply for a first registration at my age (64).I have a number of problems as a result of my various illnesses which seem to qualify me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The MDPH may be a starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The dim and distant memory function is starting to whirr a little. Not quite proving a disability from scratch but, again, it may be useful information.About four or five years ago a French organisation known as CLEISS (?), which is responsible for pointing out to the French Government the correct interpretation of EU law and how it should be applied in France was instrumental in getting the Government to correct an anomaly so that foreign residents with disabilities were treated in the same way as the French.In Mrs Benjamin's case this meant that she received virtually all medicines and treatments (not just those to do with her ALD) free of charge. I believe it's the oddball 35% ones that she had to pay for.To make the application our MT completed quite a lengthy form which was submitted to a particulat department within CPAM. They then agree or disagree the handicap status and pass that decision into the normal CPAM re-imbursement system. In Mrs Benjamin's case it was successful and we even decided not to re-new her mutuelle at the anniversary.Not your situation I know, but a visit to yout Doctor may not go amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Well, we have just been told at CPAM that there is no such thing as a handicapé once you reach retirement age. Spot the anomaly: if you are under retirement age, and in receipt of Incapacity Benefit from the UK, or Allocation Adulte Handicapé in France (both of which entitle you to 100% of your medical care paid for), this seems to cease once you reach retirement age. Your status goes from "handicapé" to "retraité" and you lose your 100%. From then on, you only get 100% for your listed ALDs, the same ones which used to give you handicapé status before.[:-))]Presumably, that will apply to you as well, NormanH (although I am SO hoping that our CPAM has got it wrong, as it seems a little outrageous) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I can confirm that Mrs Benjamin's award of 100% re-imbursement for virtually all medicines and treatments was granted after she had passed retirement age. Bizzare or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanseago Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hello everyoneI was referred, by my GP, to a specialist for assessment who found that I was 50% handicapped. My handicap card was sent to my local mairie within a week. I find my GP the best starting point for most enquiries about anything to do with services, allowances etc. It is also a good idea to register with one GP. It was our 'Dr. Christine' who organised my special boots and got my wife and me on 100%. She has now arranged direct payment from the Assurance Maladie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote user="5-element"]Well, we have just been told at CPAM that there is no such thing as a handicapé once you reach retirement age. Spot the anomaly: if you are under retirement age, and in receipt of Incapacity Benefit from the UK, or Allocation Adulte Handicapé in France (both of which entitle you to 100% of your medical care paid for), this seems to cease once you reach retirement age. Your status goes from "handicapé" to "retraité" and you lose your 100%. From then on, you only get 100% for your listed ALDs, the same ones which used to give you handicapé status before.[:-))]Presumably, that will apply to you as well, NormanH (although I am SO hoping that our CPAM has got it wrong, as it seems a little outrageous)[/quote]Is your CPAM the same as mine, an annexe of Montpellier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Yes Norman, Montpellier. As he is reassessing his Mutuelle needs, my husband went to enquire at our local CPAM permanence this morning, to find out if he was still covered 100% for everything (not just his 2 ALDs). Until now he only needed hospitalisation cover from the Mutuelle. Now it seems he needs full cover just like me. Furthermore, our insurance company (GAN) is not prepared to negotiate and give him a better deal than for me, even though most of his medical care is for his ALDs. [:(] It is conceivable that now he wouldn't get enough points to qualify sufficiently for handicapé status here, as one needs a minimum of 80% handicap to be "really" handicapé, and he might reach only 75%. I wish you better luck Norman! Maybe it will be different for you, do pass on any information if it is please.It is mildly perplexing that Mrs. Benjamin's case has been dealt with differently, but all power to the Benjamins and to their efficient and persistent médecin traitant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 Well of course I have not had the AAH or any other recognition of my various problems up to now (a question of a combination of several things rather than any one major problem ) It is relatively normal that these things get worse with advancing age, and so I was wondering how to get into the system. I am not even really sure what advantage I would get from it, but I have been rather talked into it by the regulars at my Petit Café du Commerce who see me every day and are astonished that I haven't got my 'Carte'.....It might be useful to be official as I have more and more needs. I have been paying a full Mutuelle for 15 years, and they have never given any credit for the fact that almost all of my major expenses are covered under my 3 ALDs.[:@]I have just done some quick Googling, and it looks like the CRAM have it right [:(]http://www.handroit.com/aah.htmL’AAH n’est plus versée à partir de 60 ans en cas d'incapacité de 50 à 79%. A cet âge, les bénéficiaires basculent dans le régime de retraite pour inaptitude.En cas d'incapcité d'au moins 80%, une AAH différentielle (allocation mensuelle réduite) peut être versée au-delà de 60 ans en complément d'une retraite inférieure au minimum vieillesse but I will look for loopholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Doesn't this all depend on what you would like to get, by being classed as handicapped. I would ask the assistant sociale to start with, see what they can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 Yes you are right.In fact it isn't anything specific materially (although for many people that element is essential).It's more that I have reluctantly accepted that I am not able bodied, and now I would like the badge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 A badge? for parking? Surely that is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Carte de stationnement handicapés:"La demande de carte doit être adressée à la maison départementale accompagnée d’un certificat médical. C’est le préfet qui attribue la carte après instruction par un médecin de l’équipe pluridisciplinaire de la MDPH pour une durée de 1 à 10 ans. "Décret n° 2005-1766 du 30 décembre 2005 fixant les conditions d’attribution et d’utilisation de la carte de stationnement pour personnes handicapées, JO du 31 décembre 2005"I haven't found anything specific for retraités though, although it shouldn't make any difference.It may be that a parking badge is not what you are after though, Norman, as I remember from ancient postings of yours that you no longer had a car!But this specialist forum will tell you of other people's experiences to obtain a parking badge:http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-3867320-carte-stationnement-handicapeAs for L’AAH n’est plus versée à partir de 60 ans en cas d'incapacité de 50 à 79%. A cet âge, les bénéficiaires basculent dans le régime de retraite pour inaptitude. It is apparently becoming more and more difficult to have incapacité recognised as being 80% or more, many assessments stop just short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 "A badge? "Sorry I was being metaphorical.It is difficult for someone who has always been fiercely independent to accept help.Now that I realise that I sometimes need it, I would like some sort of official status that I can quote to prevent having to discuss it all the time, since in France there is often such clear categorization.You know the sort of thing I mean. If you aren't in the official box you don't count.Other people have much more serious needs than I do, and some have always been in that situation, either from birth or as the result of an accident or illness.Those people deserve any help they can get, and certainly don't need to have it taken away after retirement.On the other hand it seems strangely difficult to become recognised as being handicapped after 60, yet of course several of my problems have become or are becoming aggravated as I get older, and my needs are increasing.If this had happened at 54 I would be able to be assessed by the MPHH.There seems no simple route to follow at 64.I will take the advice to consult my Géneraliste, but I would have thought he would have noticed my problems by now....[8-)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 [quote user="5-element"]It is mildly perplexing that Mrs. Benjamin's case has been dealt with differently, but all power to the Benjamins and to their efficient and persistent médecin traitant![/quote]Reading the succeeding posts it becomes reasonably clear to me what is going on.Mrs Benjamin was assessed at 80%, which seems to explain why she received a different response to those who only have 79% or less although what this difference of 1% means in real life is probably a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanH Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 But probably means she deserves any help she can get.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idun Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 This all depends on what you consider to be your independance. If I needed help, then I'd get it. I know getting help would mean that the rest of my time could be used doing things I like and love to do and that to me would be priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-element Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 [quote user="NormanH"]But probably means she deserves any help she can get..[/quote]Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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